Interesting stat here

[Scarlet Al]

This season so far:

Ref: 52 matches
Red cards: 10 (+1 as recommendation as AR so we'll ignore this one for now)

Red cards filtered according to age group / level:

U19: 3
U16: 4
U15: 1
2nd XV: 2

 

[dave_clark]

have all (or most) of the red cards been validated by a decent result at the disciplinary hearings?

 

[Adam]

How many games did you referee at each age group?

 

[Scarlet Al]

Only one red card disciplinary I got to hear about - One of the 2nd XV ones... Ban was 48 weeks. 1) Trampling, 2) Physical abuse of match official (me) on his way off after seeing red for trampling.

The rest, no idea!

Reffed 8 2nd XV matches
Reffed 16 U19 matches
Reffed 11 U16 matches
Reffed 4 U15 matches

 

[Scarlet Al]

Stat suggests there is a major discipline problem at Junior level...

 

[Simon Thomas]

as you say it may well be a general youth disipline issueo in your area, but to play "devil's advocate" and in no way intended as any criticism of you Al, do you have a match management issue that needs to be resolved ?

I would be looking to watch and work with one of my members who had your level of dismissals - 20% or one in every five matches. We have had 8 dismissals across the whole of Hampshire in all youth and schools matches this season.

 

[PaulDG]

I would be looking to watch and work with one of my members who had your level of dismissals - 20% or one in every five matches. We have had 8 dismissals across the whole of Hampshire in all youth and schools matches this season.

Ever refereed Welsh youth teams, Simon?

 

[Simon Thomas]

Yes for the last 10 seasons (and played against them in 1970s).

 

[Buzz]

Not sure how many games I have reffed this season at Senior or U19 level, but I have issued 4 :rc: and 16 :yc: .

Four reds have been - 1 for knee to the head, 1 for trampling, 1 for punching and 1 for stamping.

all 4 have been at U19 level, and all 4 received bans issued by the WRU U19 disciplinary committee, and none appealed

 

[Scarlet Al]

I genuinely don't think it's a managment issue to be honest and trust me, I am my own harshest critic. I think the fact that I have refereed a LOT of games helps bump up the card count.

Just going to try and recollect what they were all for if possible:

U19: - 1 x Dissent, 2 x Stamp on head,

U16: - 1 for numerous punches
- 1 for recieving 2nd yellow, both yellows for dissent
- 2 x full out dissent

U15: - 1 x punch


2nd XV: One for very personal abuse of match official, 1 for casually walking over another player (trampling).

 

[Scarlet Al]

And if anyone's wondering what the AR recommendation one was, it was 3 punches and 2 stamps in a girls match.

 

[Phil E]

And if anyone's wondering what the AR recommendation one was, it was 3 punches and 2 stamps in a girls match.

Nice girls you have in Wales

 

[Ian_Cook]

And if anyone's wondering what the AR recommendation one was, it was 3 punches and 2 stamps in a girls match.

No scratching, biting, clawing......?

Can't be a cat fight then! :biggrin:

 

[ex-lucy]

i find that if a junior team are illdisciplined . then they tend to be very illdisciplined .. and you only have to look at the coach to see why...
a generalisation but nrly always true ..
as soon as i meet the coach i can usually guess what type of match i am going to have to referee .. and can adapt accordingly e.g. brief and early warnings.
e.g. early u19s .. 5 matches in august .. 3 matches no cards ... 2 matches = 2 and 3 yellow cards.. same team!
oct = 7 matches ..= 7 yellows
nov = 10 matches = 4 yellows
dec/jan: bad weather
feb = 6 matches = 6 yellows, 4 in one match!
etc
so not a trend for junior matches more for specific teams methinks

 

[Drift]

This season so far:

4 official games
5 trial games

7 reds.

 

[Toby Warren]

This season so far:

4 official games
5 trial games

7 reds.

7:norc:

Tell us more!

 

[Dickie E]

This season so far:

4 official games
5 trial games

7 reds.

Oli,

7 reds and no yellows?

Any feedback from coaches?

 

[Dickie E]

And if anyone's wondering what the AR recommendation one was, it was 3 punches and 2 stamps in a girls match.

Good to see there were no squirrel grips

 

[ex-lucy]

Good to see there were no squirrel grips

ok, and now in English .. what's a squirrel grip?
(or shouldnt i ask?)

 

[Casey Bee]

ok, and now in English .. what's a squirrel grip?
(or shouldnt i ask?)

Squirrel's favourite thing to get their hands on... nuts... ladies rugby... ?? !!