Hi
When a maul is collapsed (brought to the ground) legally by the team taking the ball in to the maul, does it become a ruck or a tackle?
Thanks
Huw
- A maul ends and play continues when:
- The ball or ball-carrier leaves the maul.
- The ball is on the ground.
- The ball is on or over the goal line.
- A maul ends unsuccessfully when:
- The ball becomes unplayable.
- The maul collapses (not as a result of foul play).
- The maul does not move towards a goal line for longer than five seconds and the ball does not emerge.
- The ball-carrier goes to ground and the ball is not immediately available.
- The ball is available to be played, the referee has called “use it” and it has not been played within five seconds of the call.
- Sanction: Scrum.
world rugby people , have already / previously giving guidance .
that a maul can become a ruck .
the referee isnt going to let point 4 happen , as you cant step across a collapsed ruck any way .
how i referee these situations is as follows .
maul has occurred & gone to ground legally .
im now saying loudly use it { if i feel ball is not available or looking to be made available i would blow whistle & award scrum turn over ball }
if i see ball is easily now going to be playable { which 50 % of them are }
im now policing off side lines as that of a ruck .
i wont allow players to come around who are on their feet & interrupt scrum half looking to play ball .
ill keep them back to hind foot .
i also wont allow opposition players who are already on floor , to interfere with ball ,,if they do ill penalty against same .
taken for granted , im not looking for opposition players who are already on top of the ball or on top of other players who are smothering ball ..to make ball playable .
so for me its about keeping a safe environment for all players & keeping off sidfe lines in play
[FONT=fs_blakeregular, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Each team has an offside line that runs parallel to the goal line through the maul participants’ hindmost foot that is nearest to that team’s goal line. If that foot is on or behind the goal line, the offside line for that team is the goal line[/FONT]
[FONT=fs_blakeregular, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]so a maul , which has attacking team with ball in field of play , lets say less than meter from try line .[/FONT]
[FONT=fs_blakeregular, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]if defenders of a maul have been pushed over try line .
new defenders can now join maul from side , onto their own player who is already in maul .
so if maul close to side line , def fenders can come in from side , & if strong enough work on pushing maul out of play .
& they are still legal if they { providing already bound } now advance back into field of play . [/FONT]
I think the new law book makes the situation clear:Christy, players joining mauls need to do so from onside position and by binding on to the hindmost player, so they may not be allowed to come in from the side as you suggest, depending on where the hindmost player is.
I think the new law book makes the situation clear:
[LAWS]7. Players joining a maul must:
a. Do so from an onside position.
b. Bind on to the hindmost player in the maul.[/LAWS]
Both a and b are needed, so a player cannot join in the side even in in-goal.
I have it that they must join the maul in the normal way from behind the hind most foot, but can still bind alongside as long as they bind to that player, and if the maul extends into the in goal they do not have to retire if they are not joining. This allows them complete freedom to pounce on the bc in the maul or at the back of the maul should they break free to try to ground the ball.
So it is exactly as it was.
But the Law does not say they must join from behind the hindmost foot.
It says they must join from an onside position .