Maul not Moving Forward

[vimpe22]

Would you consider this as maul not moving fwd

1. Once formed, a maul must move towards a goal line.

Is there any difference if you take the line out law Line out not over

 

[Flish]

Got to give it time to breathe, maul was set, went sideways, at this point it’s still moving at a decent pace and could easily start moving forward - which arguably it does, and then is called as collapsed - so all good for me.

If it were moving slower and didn’t appear to go anywhere then I’d probably warn the nine and then ask him to use it and get something positive happening

 

[RemainingInTheGame]

That looks like great crowd - what game / series and where?

All good for me, agree with @Flish, but even if 'stopped' at lineout (playing devils advocate) it would have been 1st stop (I.e move it or use it), then went forward within 5 seconds and over try line.

It was the right outcome although I'd love to confirm what first advantage was for (going off feet would be my call) - law query - can you be penalised for an attempted collapse? (I think yes, but am not sure).

 

[vimpe22]

This was a game in Colombo between two schools which play for a shield and decided on two legs

Bradby Shield Encounter - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[RemainingInTheGame]

@vimpe22 those crowds look amazing, having just moved to Sydney, I thought the schoolboy crowds were amazing here - but they look even better over there.

I hope those players enjoy the games, and given the engagement and support they have; look forward to seeing Sri Lanka climb into the RWC and hopefully down here in 2027.

 

[Dickie E]

Are we ok with the front pod of the non-throwing team pre-binding into a front row for the ensuing maul?

 

[Ciaran Trainor]

Are we ok with the front pod of the non-throwing team pre-binding into a front row for the ensuing maul?

can't see anything in the laws to prevent it. Never seen it before though

 

[Mipper]

can't see anything in the laws to prevent it. Never seen it before though

yeah, if that happened in one of my games I would be straight onto the Laws app at half-time

 

[Not Kurt Weaver]

can't see anything in the laws to prevent it. Never seen it before though

You know, I had to go to my long term memory. But I think Samoa used a similar tactic on peeling runners from the Welsh line out in '99 world cup. It was an under shoulder bind from the hooker, not above like these. The Samoans would essentially prebind post throw in but well before contact.

 

[Drift]

Are we ok with the front pod of the non-throwing team pre-binding into a front row for the ensuing maul?

Why wouldn’t we be? As long as they don’t go early then it’s fine.

My bigger issue with it is players joining the maul before it’s moved off the LOT.

 

[Dickie E]

Why wouldn’t we be?

Well, law18.19 suggests that "pre-gripping" is allowed but only for the purpose of lifting/ supporting. I'd allow it, but interested in others thoughts.

"Players in the lineout who are going to lift or support a team-mate jumping for the ball may pre-grip that team-mate providing they do not grip below the shorts from behind or below the thighs from the front."

 

[didds]

so the law doesnt rpevent it QED it permits it presumably. ?

 

[Phil E]

Did anyone notice that (in Wales v England) England got penalised for leaving the lineout in preparation for building a maul.
I have never seen this penalised before (although it has been discussed on here). I wonder if the teams were warned about it before the start of the competition, or if it was a rabbit out of the hat for them?

 

[crossref]

Did anyone notice that (in Wales v England) England got penalised for leaving the lineout in preparation for building a maul.
I have never seen this penalised before (although it has been discussed on here). I wonder if the teams were warned about it before the start of the competition, or if it was a rabbit out of the hat for them?

i noticed that, and I also noticed that the commentators seemed completely unsurprised, and identified what the FK was for immediately. I concluded that it has been pre-briefed, and that the commentators had seen the briefing.

 

[Dickie E]

Did anyone notice that (in Wales v England) England got penalised for leaving the lineout in preparation for building a maul.
I have never seen this penalised before (although it has been discussed on here). I wonder if the teams were warned about it before the start of the competition, or if it was a rabbit out of the hat for them?

So the old "peeling off" ruse has been scuppered?

 

[Phil E]

So the old "peeling off" ruse has been scuppered?

I'm waiting to see if it gets penalised again, or was a one off from that particular referee.

 

[didds]

not having seen the game, was this a case of a single player peeling from eg #1 to clean a catch at #4? Or 4 players moving to lurk while the throw was still in the air ?

 

[Phil E]

It was more than one player moving into the receiver position by "peeling off".
I cant remember what the ref said exactly, but it was something like you can't peel off as your not there to receive the ball.

 

[Balones]

Did anyone notice that (in Wales v England) England got penalised for leaving the lineout in preparation for building a maul.
I have never seen this penalised before (although it has been discussed on here). I wonder if the teams were warned about it before the start of the competition, or if it was a rabbit out of the hat for them?

It also happened in the other two internationals. It was as if all the refs had got the ‘memo’. Apparently they were going to start penalising this at the last World Cup but never really got round to it. This looks like some pre-warning before this year’s World Cup.
My issue with what was done at this weekend’s games was that the law wasn’t consistently applied. Once the referee had penalised in a game I tried to make mental notes of how the law was applied afterwards. The Irish lineout at 29 minutes, after Italian penalisation, sticks in my mind. There was a lack of consistency in the communication about why there had been penalisation. One ref said you can’t leave (peel) until the ball has been thrown while another penalised for having too many receivers before the throw.
I used to include such incidents in my reports several years ago but was told to ignore it because it was a widely disregarded (by professional game) law and not worth reporting. Perhaps I can now start to include it again?