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They dont come much more deliberate than that .
Referee has talked him self into a corner .
I agree with yellow ( it was more of a soft shoulder , than hard ) .
Not saying its ok what he did ,,i can just see why its a yellow .
 
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I couldn’t give a Red, if indeed I saw it at all with one viewing - but with replays like that I think he’s chickened out :-(
 
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Would like to see real-time speed but (at risk of lighting blue-touch paper...) could it be more face-to-shoulder, than shoulder-to-face...
 
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I'd go yellow - more careless/reckless than deliberate, medium force. Wouldn't be surprised by a red, though.
 
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Wedgie said:
Would like to see real-time speed but (at risk of lighting blue-touch paper...) could it be more face-to-shoulder, than shoulder-to-face...
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I got the wrong man.
Red.
 
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I can’t see any mitigating factors whatsoever. Looked clear to me that Green 13 lined up for a deliberate headshot. Agree with consensus on here - very surprised it wasn’t red.
 
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red card.

meanwhile red #5 was clearly requested to go backl to his team. He nodded then not only dind;t move to his own team but actually moved closer to the ref's chat with the green player.

Clearly disobeyed a request from the ref.

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Bottled it.
Direct contact to the head = red :norc:

What was he thinking with this "medium force" thing? :shrug:
 
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didds said:
red card.

meanwhile red #5 was clearly requested to go backl to his team. He nodded then not only dind;t move to his own team but actually moved closer to the ref's chat with the green player.

Clearly disobeyed a request from the ref.

didds
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I was interested in that

Not sure what the ref was doing there .. I believe the proper protocol is for both captains to be able to hear what is said ?
 
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On watching my brain wasn't screaming RC so therefore only a :noyc: for me.

I get the '...medium force...' statement but don't think that it was necessary.
 
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crossref said:
Not sure what the ref was doing there .. I believe the proper protocol is for both captains to be able to hear what is said ?
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Certainly what I do, normally followed by me telling captains to go back to their team, explain my decision, and clearly point out that it's been dealt with and to move on (adds a few more seconds of time off to defuse the situation)
 
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So he propels himself shoulder first, without arms, making initial contact with the head.
I'd hate to see a tackle that got described as 'excessive force'.

In the pro-game I'd expect that to be straight red...
 
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Phil E said:
Direct contact to the head = red :norc:
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not in our neck of the woods. Intent & degree of force are factors too.

From our GMGs which are based on WR guidance:

[LAWS]World Rugby High Tackle guidance 2017
• World Rugby has provided new guidance regarding high tackles which are ‘reckless’ (minimum YC) and
‘accidental’ (minimum PK). Stricter enforcement is encouraged: ‘contact with the head’ should in most
cases result in a PK minimum.
• To decide an appropriate sanction (PK, YC or RC), referees should be considering:
o Contact point – where did the tackle start/finish, was contact with hand, arm or shoulder?
o Action – was the tackling action accidental, reckless or deliberate?
o Degree of force – severity of impact, does the tackler ‘carry on’ through the tackle, e.g. around
the neck?
• Referees should use common sense – but player safety is paramount.
[/LAWS]
 
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For me the tackling action was deliberate. He didnt wrap and went high. I dont think he was aiming for the head but for me if you dont wrap and go high then you reap what you sow.

Red card for me.
 
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