chopper15
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Dr S. I understand your comment and accept that using unlikely scenarios to pursue the literal interpretation of the LoG is often an anathema to many of you particularly at the level many of you ref at. But surely you're not suggesting that this forum should not discuss interpretation, application and the effect it can have on a unanticipated scenario?
21.6 (b) and 9.A.1. Dropped Goal. A player scores a dropped goal by kicking a goal from a drop kick in GENERAL PLAY.The team awarded a free kick cannot score a dropped goal until the ball next becomes dead, OR UNTIL AN OPPONENT HAS PLAYED OR TOUCHED IT, or has tackled the ball carrier. THIS RESTRICTION APPLIES ALSO TO A SCRUM TAKEN INSTEAD OF A FREE KICK.
Ian; for starters I accept 'general play' as - from the time the ball is put into play to the time the ball is made dead and is not be confused with 'open play ', which I appreciate drives your opinion.
My reference to 19.1 (g) is relevant to both kicking to touch from inside 22 and to 21.6 (b) when scrums initiate commencement of play and the consequence of a either a direct kick to touch or a drop kick to goal, as appropriate, are successfully made, ie,
i) 22 scenario - which by now you all must be familiar with:Typical scenarios to illustrate these would be, a defending scrum just outside the 22. The ball is taken against the head and taken into the 22, where either the ball squirts out the back of the scrum and is immediately picked up by the defending SH or the defending pack regains their ball and in both incidents the ball is kicked directly into touch.
ii) FK scenario:The ball is taken against the head and squirts out the back of the defending scrum and is immediately picked up by the attacking SH or the attacking pack regains their ball and in both incidents the ball is drop kicked directly thro' the posts.
iii) QT scenario: Ball kicked into touch outside 22 and rolls in touch past the 22. Defender takes QT to team mate who kicks downfield direct into touch.
I merely want an update by anyone 'in the know' if these incidents are now accepted as interpretations by NH and SH. At the time these issues were debated , as I mentioned, both Ian and OB were of the opinion that these interpretations were certainly not accepted internationally for the FK or the QT.
The FK scenario, of course, can be aggravated further should the ball be seen to be temporarily touched at the put-in by the defending front row but is subsequently heeled by the attacking side.
Here's hoping you will, perhaps, be more sympathetic to my passion as an 'outsider' to further my knowledge of the LoG with some positive opinions or, even better, answers.
21.6 (b) and 9.A.1. Dropped Goal. A player scores a dropped goal by kicking a goal from a drop kick in GENERAL PLAY.The team awarded a free kick cannot score a dropped goal until the ball next becomes dead, OR UNTIL AN OPPONENT HAS PLAYED OR TOUCHED IT, or has tackled the ball carrier. THIS RESTRICTION APPLIES ALSO TO A SCRUM TAKEN INSTEAD OF A FREE KICK.
Ian; for starters I accept 'general play' as - from the time the ball is put into play to the time the ball is made dead and is not be confused with 'open play ', which I appreciate drives your opinion.
My reference to 19.1 (g) is relevant to both kicking to touch from inside 22 and to 21.6 (b) when scrums initiate commencement of play and the consequence of a either a direct kick to touch or a drop kick to goal, as appropriate, are successfully made, ie,
i) 22 scenario - which by now you all must be familiar with:Typical scenarios to illustrate these would be, a defending scrum just outside the 22. The ball is taken against the head and taken into the 22, where either the ball squirts out the back of the scrum and is immediately picked up by the defending SH or the defending pack regains their ball and in both incidents the ball is kicked directly into touch.
ii) FK scenario:The ball is taken against the head and squirts out the back of the defending scrum and is immediately picked up by the attacking SH or the attacking pack regains their ball and in both incidents the ball is drop kicked directly thro' the posts.
iii) QT scenario: Ball kicked into touch outside 22 and rolls in touch past the 22. Defender takes QT to team mate who kicks downfield direct into touch.
I merely want an update by anyone 'in the know' if these incidents are now accepted as interpretations by NH and SH. At the time these issues were debated , as I mentioned, both Ian and OB were of the opinion that these interpretations were certainly not accepted internationally for the FK or the QT.
The FK scenario, of course, can be aggravated further should the ball be seen to be temporarily touched at the put-in by the defending front row but is subsequently heeled by the attacking side.
Here's hoping you will, perhaps, be more sympathetic to my passion as an 'outsider' to further my knowledge of the LoG with some positive opinions or, even better, answers.
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