Red card for a trip

[stuart3826]

Had a rare chance to watch a U16 game today . Roughly 10 minutes left, one player from each team are chasing down a loose kick, attacking player falls over. Hand on heart I didn't see what caused it.
Ref produces red card and after the game confirms that he told the player there was no choice in law for a trip but to send the player off.

So can someone enlighten me? Where does that come from? 10.7d says sanction is PK. I take that to mean YC or RC can also be used depending on circumstances

 

[Ian_Cook]

Had a rare chance to watch a U16 game today . Roughly 10 minutes left, one player from each team are chasing down a loose kick, attacking player falls over. Hand on heart I didn't see what caused it.
Ref produces red card and after the game confirms that he told the player there was no choice in law for a trip but to send the player off.

So can someone enlighten me? Where does that come from? 10.7d says sanction is PK. I take that to mean YC or RC can also be used depending on circumstances

I don't believe there is a Law stating that you must RC a player foot-tripping an opponent, however there may be directives within individual National Unions.

Regardless of that, IMO, its a RC everytime. A foot-trip is always intentional, and always dangerous.

It not the act of bringing down a player by his feet that is dangerous, as we allow ankle-taps; its the "bone-on-bone" contact and potential for breaking legs that makes it dangerous.

 

[Dickie E]

A foot-trip is always intentional,

Hardly. Seen plenty of falls due to players getting feet tangled. Particularly kids.

 

[Ian_Cook]

Hardly. Seen plenty of falls due to players getting feet tangled. Particularly kids.

Players getting their feet tangled when they are running is not a foot-trip; its players getting their feet tangled.

I am talking about a foot-trip; that is where a player is running, and another player hacks his feet out from under him, using his own feet to do so.

Have a look at this video from 1:40 to 1:46, at which point James Small foot-trips Christian Cullen (who scores anyway)

Small's actions are an automatic :norc: in my book....all day, every day!

 

[crossref]

I saw an u15 trip yesterday, and ref .. An off duty society ref .. gave no card at all.
I don't think the penalty this offence has been standardised , there is no IRB memo on it for instance

 

[dave_clark]

au contraire mon ami, they just haven't sent it to you :tongue:

 

[Lee Lifeson-Peart]

Small's actions are an automatic :norc: in my book....all day, every day!

Is that generally or in this video?:biggrin:

 

[Ian_Cook]

Is that generally or in this video?:biggrin:

Generally speaking, James Small is RC material the moment he steps out of dressing room :biggrin:

 

[TheBFG]

must have been something in the air, had a "off duty" Soc ref yesterday send a guy off for a trip (U13's :wow, i did suggest it should just be a forced sub, but he was adamant (it was their team not mine!), made a point after of saying he'd had issues with this player in the past and that he needed to learn the impact his actions had on a team!

 

[PaulDG]

... (U13's :wow, i did suggest it should just be a forced sub, ...

There's no support of "forced substitution" in England for U13 up - not that it doesn't have a place.

(Just thought I ought to mention it.)

 

[crossref]

There's no support of "forced substitution" in England for U13 up - not that it doesn't have a place.

(Just thought I ought to mention it.)

Agreed.

Although with rolling subs a bright coach will take it into his own hands -.

In my U15 match yesterday things got a little feisty and I had a 'word' with a prop making it clear (without painting myself into a corner) that he was right on the cusp of leaving the field, and I was going to be watching him carefully. This conversation was observed by the coaches, who immediately subbed him.
He came on again about 5 mins later, much calmer :smile:

 

[Lee Lifeson-Peart]

Agreed.

Although with rolling subs a bright coach will take it into his own hands -.

In my U15 match yesterday things got a little feisty and I had a 'word' with a prop making it clear (without painting myself into a corner) that he was right on the cusp of leaving the field, and I was going to be watching him carefully. This conversation was observed by the coaches, who immediately subbed him.
He came on again about 5 mins later, much calmer :smile:

(Klaxon!!!!!!!!!!) Oxymoron alert!!!!!!:biggrin:

 

[TheBFG]

There's no support of "forced substitution" in England for U13 up - not that it doesn't have a place.

(Just thought I ought to mention it.)

Yep, with you on that, but as it was a friendly and there were 6/7 subs stood freezing on the side line i thought the sub option could have been used :wink:

 

[SimonSmith]

I tend to agree with Ian, and view trips the same way I do spear tackles.

I start at red and then consider other mitigating circumstances. A little ankle flick may get treated differently to a Norman Hunter 5 yard slide, studs showing.

 

[Simon Thomas]

a Norman Hunter 5 yard slide, studs showing.

and don't forget Ron Harris, Peter Storey, Dave Mackay, Tommy Smith, plus the nasty ones who would leave a boot-in like Bremmer / Giles.

 

[Lee Lifeson-Peart]

and don't forget Ron Harris, Peter Storey, Dave Mackay, Tommy Smith, plus the nasty ones who would leave a boot-in like Bremmer / Giles.

Ah 60s football. This is always good for a laugh. I wonder if Ken Aston was slated for spoiling this game by sending people off? :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

 

[dave_clark]

never seen that before. that's frightening.

 

[Phil E]

never seen that before. that's frightening.

No; THAT'S a management challenge :biggrin:

 

[stuart3826]

What really alarms me most here is that an earlier, bang to rights attempted trip earlier in the game, where a deliberate and cynical attempt was made to kick the legs from under a player wasn't penalised at all because "He didn't bring him down"!

Seems to be a level of inconsistency here

 

[Ricardowensleydale]

Who felt insulted that Coleman said "We've got a Rugby game here"?