KML would be interested in your views on the time taken to make the red card decision. Goode received extensive treatment including receiving Oxygen, perhaps 5 minutes plus and it was only as the Goode was finally stretchered off was the red card brandished. Should the match officials taken into account the seriousness of the injury ? Thankfully Goode was later seen walking around the pitch which makes my question more difficult to justify ?Haven't seen it but have been following the arguments on Twitter. For me, if you go with the view that it's serious foul play, it has to be a red at that level - youd have to have some pretty good mitigating circs to bring it down to a yellow.
Shelflife: "For me Payne never saw Goode and had eyes on the ball all the time. genuine attempt to play the ball." - taking this at face value, there is no foul play in what you describe so not even a penalty. Why a YC?
Just being devils advocate!
I find myself in the unusual position of agreeing with Rushforth.
This is just BS. If this is a standard for a RC then I do wonder about the future of the game.
Agreed. The Goode/Payne incident yesterday has raised serious questions about the legitimacy of jumping for the ball. At present the law protects the jumper at the expense of legitimate play by player who remains on ground. At no stage did Payne take his eyes off the ball, he did not see Goode jumping in, his face hit Goode's hip - so unless he's a madman I cannot see how his action was dangerous. It was an accident but Goode put himself in the dangerous position by jumping into Payne. Hence the need for lawmakers to look at the legitimacy of jumping for the ball in open play. If they don't a player will break his neck through dangerous or legal play by a player on the ground.IMO never a card of any colour, clumsy at best!!
I don't see that it is realistic bring in a law to make it illegal to jump for the ball in open play. There are far too many situations where it makes sense to jump, and presents no danger to anyone.Agreed. The Goode/Payne incident yesterday has raised serious questions about the legitimacy of jumping for the ball. At present the law protects the jumper at the expense of legitimate play by player who remains on ground. At no stage did Payne take his eyes off the ball, he did not see Goode jumping in, his face hit Goode's hip - so unless he's a madman I cannot see how his action was dangerous. It was an accident but Goode put himself in the dangerous position by jumping into Payne. Hence the need for lawmakers to look at the legitimacy of jumping for the ball in open play. If they don't a player will break his neck through dangerous or legal play by a player on the ground.
I don't see that it is realistic bring in a law to make it illegal to jump for the ball in open play. There are far too many situations where it makes sense to jump, and presents no danger to anyone.
In this case I agree that it looks as if Payne was intending to jump for the ball himself, and only spotted Goode at the last second. He tried to pull out, which meant he went under Goode. It would probably have been less dangerous for him to continue his jump, when they would have clashed in the air.
Was that a culpable error? I don't think so, but there is some responsibility on the chaser to realise the possible danger. However I cannot see it as a RC incident.
Ban tackling all together. Safety first! Are you sure you aren't a football (soccer) player?Why would it be unrealistic? There are many actions that are not legal that would benefit a player in some way, eg tackling a player in the air, tackling around the neck. If jumping unsupported for the ball in open play was made illegal then it would not take long for the practice to cease. It is inherently dangerous and I wonder if you would still subscribe to your argument if Goode had broken his neck. Payne's action was entirely legal and you could not introduce a law to stop players remaining on the ground to catch the ball, but it would be easy to referee players jumping to catch a ball.
Ban tackling all together. Safety first! Are you sure you aren't a football (soccer) player?