Senior moment question on FK

[Gracie]

Just perusing the Law Book to clarify one law, when I came across this;

21.6 SCORING FROM A FREE KICK
(a) A goal cannot be scored from a free kick.
(b) The team awarded a free kick cannot score a dropped goal until after the ball next becomes dead, or until after an opponent has played or touched it, or has tackled the ball carrier. This restriction applies also to a scrum taken instead of a free kick.

Under section B, if a team opts for the scrum at say the 5m line, then this reads that they cannot win the scrum and pass back for a drop goal (unless a tackle occurs). Is this right???(now the title does say senior moment). The push over try would be fine.

 

[Phil E]

That is correct.


...........and you may have just openend Pandora's Box!

 

[colesy]

That is correct.


...........and you may have just openend Pandora's Box!

Why Pandora's box? Unlike some laws I could mention, I cannot see any grey area or ambiguity. Must be missing something here!

 

[OB..]

Why Pandora's box? Unlike some laws I could mention, I cannot see any grey area or ambiguity. Must be missing something here!

A chopper.

 

[colesy]

A chopper.

Ah yes, I see now. Fair point.

Is there a sanction or is it play on as if the posts were invisible?

 

[Simon Thomas]

play on as if posts didn't exist

 

[colesy]

play on as if posts didn't exist

That'll take some selling on the pitch if the kick goes through and everyone's expecting a whistle. I reckon they would all stop dead expecting the goal to be awarded.

 

[crossref]

That'll take some selling on the pitch if the kick goes through and everyone's expecting a whistle. I reckon they would all stop dead expecting the goal to be awarded.

in which case the ball will go dead and you can award a scrum-back

the problem will be if the catch the ball and counter-attack, then you'll undoubtedly have some players playing while others have stopped.

 

[Phil E]

Manage it.

 

[colesy]

Manage it.

Absolutely. Quick shout of illegal kick and play on if the ball doesnt go dead. There will still be scratching of heads though.

 

[Simon Thomas]

That'll take some selling on the pitch if the kick goes through and everyone's expecting a whistle. I reckon they would all stop dead expecting the goal to be awarded.

Manage it - as soon as he kicks it give a loud call of "Direct from scrum, drop kick can't score. PLAY ON".

if players stop that is there problem - age old edict is play to the whistle. It could be a hard lesson to be learnt !

 

[Pinky]

Or you could always do what I did and award the score :redface:

I did find out afterwards I had dropped one.

 

[PaulDG]

Absolutely. Quick shout of illegal kick and play on if the ball doesnt go dead. There will still be scratching of heads though.

I'm not sure "illegal kick" would be helpful - the defending side might stop and expect a penalty.

"Play on" has to be it.

 

[crossref]

it's not an illegal kick, though.
it's not illegal to kick the ball, it justdoesn't count as a goal.
Legally, it's exactly as if they punted the ball up field and it went through the posts

but in practice more of a management challenge

 

[crossref]

it fact it might be an interesting ploy
- when awarded a FK close to opponents posts
- take the FK as a DK, trying to float it very high so that it goes through or close to posts, lands in goal
- follow up the kick very hard
- aim to create confusion amongst defenders and collect the ball and score a try

it would be fun!

 

[Jacko]

Or you could always do what I did and award the score :redface:

I did find out afterwards I had dropped one.

Don't worry - I did it in a National League game and only realised I'd messed up when someone from on here picked me up on it!

 

[Davet]

Drop goal as described is not allowed. Loud: "Play on! Play on! - No Goal!" Try the old widespread arms as well.

Pushover try is fine, as is any other try, the law doesn't say you can't score from a FK, just that you can't score a drop goal.

 

[Gracie]

Wel there we go my senior moment has given me some new insight!

 

[Blackberry]

I would mention the no drop goal law when the captain makes the call.

 

[menace]

play on as if posts didn't exist

in which case the ball will go dead and you can award a scrum-back

the problem will be if the catch the ball and counter-attack, then you'll undoubtedly have some players playing while others have stopped.

if that's the case, and it's as if the posts didn't exist..wouldn't the drop out /scrum option as per 22.8 be the possibilities for the non-offending team?