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dave_clark
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never played or trained there? uncontested, any day of the week.
NL3 game.
Red hooker binned.
Next scrum red captain says they have no replacement hooker so will need to go uncontested. Blue captain objects because there is a nominated front row on the red bench. Ref goes along with red captain. Later in the game blue T/H is binned. Next scrum blue ask for uncontested because their replacement is a L/H prop and can't play T/H. Decision? Opinions?
Red hooker binned.
Next scrum red captain says they have no replacement hooker so will need to go uncontested. Blue captain objects because there is a nominated front row on the red bench. Ref goes along with red captain. Later in the game blue T/H is binned. Next scrum blue ask for uncontested because their replacement is a L/H prop and can't play T/H. Decision? Opinions?
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Didn;t Glaws have something similar a few years ago with a (French?) former hooker turned prop ?
As for Balones quesry, once you've gone with the specific position reasoning I can't see how you can then change the interpretation. You have to go uncontested.
didds
As for Balones quesry, once you've gone with the specific position reasoning I can't see how you can then change the interpretation. You have to go uncontested.
didds
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Whether or not a player is STE for a FR position is a club decision - on the basis of tens of minutes experience of the player, the ref can't second-guess the decision of the coach who trains him week in week out. It is for the competition organisers to take action if they feel the competition rules are being abused.
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so is that another man off and down to 13?
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No. Uncontested and 14 until the bin is over, then back to contested and 15.
Azam, who had hooked for France A, but had not played or trained as a hooker for a couple of years with Gloucester.
There was also a Premiership hooker who played in the back row when recovering from a neck injury that they did not want to risk in the front row.
The red team wanted to go uncontested because they were having a hard time at the scrum. The blue team wanted to go uncontested because they were defending a scrum 5 with only about one minute of the bin remaining. (And probably because they were a bit peeved at the red team.)
Things got a bit complicated with two minutes to go at the end of the game when the blue T/H went off injured and the blue team moved their L/H to T/H and brought on their 'specialist' L/H from the bench. Blue's argument was that their L/H was okay for one or two scrums but no more and that they didn't want to try that move earlier in the match because it would have used up an interchange that they may have needed later on. Could the ref have stopped this happening? Should he have? On what grounds?
Overall it almost raises the question of what is the point of nominating a FR replacement when you can in effect choose whether to use him for what could be rather contrived reasons made up on the spot.
Things got a bit complicated with two minutes to go at the end of the game when the blue T/H went off injured and the blue team moved their L/H to T/H and brought on their 'specialist' L/H from the bench. Blue's argument was that their L/H was okay for one or two scrums but no more and that they didn't want to try that move earlier in the match because it would have used up an interchange that they may have needed later on. Could the ref have stopped this happening? Should he have? On what grounds?
Overall it almost raises the question of what is the point of nominating a FR replacement when you can in effect choose whether to use him for what could be rather contrived reasons made up on the spot.
I think when the blue t/h went off injured, you would have to go to uncontested scrums (as the last time he was not on the field) and they only get to bring the other prop on if man off does not apply. (I think it probably would, but will bow to the knowledge of English refs as we don't do that up here)
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It is a tough one and usually puts the ref in a no win situation when teams play funny buggers with their FR replacements.
I had a situation where a red team was being smashed in the scrum (lower grade) and appeared to feign a FR injury that mysteriously occurred at half time. Red asked for uncontested as they had no replacement FR. The opposition green capt complained to me they were faking it and they have another prop. All I could do was 'Capt, you'll have to appreciate my hands are tied as my concern is safety, so I have to allow their request for uncontested. I cannot assess their injury nor suitable other players. We can note it on the game sheet which I will sign but you'll have to take it up with the local union after the game". The capt was understanding of my position. Although I didn't think it was very sporting of the red team to call for uncontested, it was not my job to rule on that crap.
After this there was heightened friction between the teams for the 'games' being played so that added another dimension to managing the remainder of the game. Fortunately it died out as the green team went on to comfortably win the game. (Not sure if green lodged a complaint against red for their tactics, but the red team did drop out of the comp a few weeks later....due to lack of player numbers)
I had a situation where a red team was being smashed in the scrum (lower grade) and appeared to feign a FR injury that mysteriously occurred at half time. Red asked for uncontested as they had no replacement FR. The opposition green capt complained to me they were faking it and they have another prop. All I could do was 'Capt, you'll have to appreciate my hands are tied as my concern is safety, so I have to allow their request for uncontested. I cannot assess their injury nor suitable other players. We can note it on the game sheet which I will sign but you'll have to take it up with the local union after the game". The capt was understanding of my position. Although I didn't think it was very sporting of the red team to call for uncontested, it was not my job to rule on that crap.
After this there was heightened friction between the teams for the 'games' being played so that added another dimension to managing the remainder of the game. Fortunately it died out as the green team went on to comfortably win the game. (Not sure if green lodged a complaint against red for their tactics, but the red team did drop out of the comp a few weeks later....due to lack of player numbers)
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It is a tough one and usually puts the ref in a no win situation when teams play funny buggers with their FR replacements.
I had a situation where a red team was being smashed in the scrum (lower grade) and appeared to feign a FR injury that mysteriously occurred at half time. Red asked for uncontested as they had no replacement FR. The opposition green capt complained to me they were faking it and they have another prop. All I could do was 'Capt, you'll have to appreciate my hands are tied as my concern is safety, so I have to allow their request for uncontested. I cannot assess their injury nor suitable other players. We can note it on the game sheet which I will sign but you'll have to take it up with the local union after the game". The capt was understanding of my position. Although I didn't think it was very sporting of the red team to call for uncontested, it was not my job to rule on that crap.
After this there was heightened friction between the teams for the 'games' being played so that added another dimension to managing the remainder of the game. Fortunately it died out as the green team went on to comfortably win the game. (Not sure if green lodged a complaint against red for their tactics, but the red team did drop out of the comp a few weeks later....due to lack of player numbers)
I had a situation where a red team was being smashed in the scrum (lower grade) and appeared to feign a FR injury that mysteriously occurred at half time. Red asked for uncontested as they had no replacement FR. The opposition green capt complained to me they were faking it and they have another prop. All I could do was 'Capt, you'll have to appreciate my hands are tied as my concern is safety, so I have to allow their request for uncontested. I cannot assess their injury nor suitable other players. We can note it on the game sheet which I will sign but you'll have to take it up with the local union after the game". The capt was understanding of my position. Although I didn't think it was very sporting of the red team to call for uncontested, it was not my job to rule on that crap.
After this there was heightened friction between the teams for the 'games' being played so that added another dimension to managing the remainder of the game. Fortunately it died out as the green team went on to comfortably win the game. (Not sure if green lodged a complaint against red for their tactics, but the red team did drop out of the comp a few weeks later....due to lack of player numbers)