[Law] Tap penalty to a runner clarifcation

[didds]

the classic wall set piece is amongst some ideas... but the "running players" need to time their run from the wall not the tap clearly. I just wanted to clarify the situation wrt runners at the tap.

I was thinking of the over the head chip that ian linked to (based on my Hawera days) - but again the timing of the runs is imperative.

As it is I do have a couple of other ideas unrelated to runners - which i will be writing up for dan cotterell's Rugby Coach Weekly in due course for those that subscribe

didds

 

[Dickie E]

the classic wall set piece is amongst some ideas... but the "running players" need to time their run from the wall not the tap clearly. I just wanted to clarify the situation wrt runners at the tap.

I was thinking of the over the head chip that ian linked to (based on my Hawera days) - but again the timing of the runs is imperative.

As it is I do have a couple of other ideas unrelated to runners - which i will be writing up for dan cotterell's Rugby Coach Weekly in due course for those that subscribe

didds

or maybe work on the lineout???

 

[crossref]

That wall try is a great. There are a number of reasons you might find fault with it, but NOT because anyone was moving before the tap... As it's clearly NOT a *charge*

 

[Chris_j]

Not least the NFL style off the ball blocking of defenders by the wall members to clear a huge hole through which the receiver ran!

 

[Fatboy_Ginge]

Having had this last season I stopped the runner as he started about 10m back and was in full flow when he received the ball. I made them play the penalty again after I explained to both teams that their runners could start moving when the ball was played AND NOT BEFORE. They were happy and when I explained to the coaches as well at half time, they were happy as well.

 

[crossref]

Having had this last season I stopped the runner as he started about 10m back and was in full flow when he received the ball. I made them play the penalty again after I explained to both teams that their runners could start moving when the ball was played AND NOT BEFORE. They were happy and when I explained to the coaches as well at half time, they were happy as well.

..but happy or not, it's not really correct. The Law prohibits *charging* it doesn't prohibit moving.

 

[Dickie E]

..but happy or not, it's not really correct. The Law prohibits *charging* it doesn't prohibit moving.

"in full flow" is probably charging

 

[didds]

or maybe work on the lineout???

Of course - and that's occurring too. But if nothing else (and lineout aside) the useless and toothless FK in midfield would still be a valid scenario.

didds

 

[didds]

Not least the NFL style off the ball blocking of defenders by the wall members to clear a huge hole through which the receiver ran!

which defenders did they block from making a tackle in that clip? There's npot a single defender in the vicinity of the wall.

didds

 

[didds]

"in full flow" is probably charging

it undoubtedly is.

But that isn't what FBG said to the teams and coaches.

"I explained to both teams that their runners could start moving when the ball was played AND NOT BEFORE."

 

[crossref]

"in full flow" is probably charging

Yes, but Fatboy said

Having had this last season I stopped the runner as he started about 10m back and was in full flow when he received the ball..

that sounds perfectly correct

but this sounds too restrictive

I made them play the penalty again after I explained to both teams that their runners could start moving when the ball was played AND NOT BEFORE. They were happy and when I explained to the coaches as well at half time, they were happy as well.

for instance if various players are strolling around as the PK is taken, that's not a cavalry charge.

 

[Chris_j]

which defenders did they block from making a tackle in that clip? There's npot a single defender in the vicinity of the wall.

didds

Of course not, they started 10m back. But the right hand wall player was the only one not to play the ball and he ran straight out and played a defender without the ball, wrapping him, creating the gap.