That should never be seen in our game - Kolelishvili vs. Barnes

[talbazar]

Hi All,

This is something that should never be seen in our game.

I'm stunned that Barnsey only gave a penalty for this...
Has anyone got any further information?

Article and short video
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/75952415/clermont-flanker-could-face-suspension-for-pushing-referee-wayne-barnes

Longer (and wider) video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MN72CkFLfM

Any thoughts?
I'd go straight RC on this...

Cheers,
Pierre.

 

[menace]

:wow::wow::wow::wow::Looser::Looser::Looser::Looser:

 

[The Fat]

I know it's not much of a prize, but I'd bet my left nut he gets cited and suspended

 

[Ian_Cook]

Its so blatant and so obvious that you have to wonder if he knew it was WB, and that he didn't just think it was an opponent encroaching over the offside line.

Not making excuses for him, but if you you were going to pick any referee to do that too, WB is just about your last choice.

 

[Ciaran Trainor]

I cannot believe Wayne did not issue a red card. Very poor decision. That will leave us all open to a shove

 

[beckett50]

Whilst it is wrong we don't know whether the player was shouting to WB to move out of his way.

I think on balance a PK is about right, but let's wait and see if the CO gets involved.

 

[menace]

Whilst it is wrong we don't know whether the player was shouting to WB to move out of his way.

Even if he was....no excuse to be that physical.

WB was in an empty channel and he was not obstructing the players view.

Can't understand how WB arrived at a decision without showing a card!

 

[4eyesbetter]

Not even in football would they accept that sort of treatment.

 

[SimonSmith]

Be depressed

https://www.facebook.com/groups/usarugbyreferees/

 

[leaguerefaus]

Be depressed

https://www.facebook.com/groups/usarugbyreferees/

Surprised not to see any suggestions that Wayne should have "stood his ground" and shot the player.

 

[L'irlandais]

Don't put ideas in their heads, next thing they will being saying the U.S. rugby Union is infringing their rights not allowing referees open carry on the field of play.

 

[Paule23]

That's absolutely nuts and no excuse. I got barged from behind once or twice today and thought the video was going to be something similar. But a blatant shove, then back in line? What was all that about?

:wtf:
:norc:

 

[Taff]

What time in the game did this happen?

 

[Rushforth]

17th minute or something like that, I think.

 

[Taff]

So it wasn't obvious at that time that they were going to lose.

I know it doesn't excuse what he did but it may explain what he did.

 

[FlipFlop]

For me, and with TV replays (which I assume WB had access to, as it is foul play), I see that:

• WB is not in the way of play.
• the player deliberately come a fair way up from the offside line (not accidental)
• the player then retreats to the offside line
• WB is not in his line of sight to the ball
• There is no reason for the player to put his hands on WB in this situation

So result is clear cut. Red.

 

[FlipFlop]

Have to say - in a game recently got bumped twice in the back by the same player in open play. Second time I gave a clear warning to the captain, 1 could be accidental, second time I was giving benefit of doubt and only penalise it, if it happened a 3rd time then it had to be deliberate, and I would act accordingly.

Speaking to spectator afterwards, the result was: first they didn't see, and so likely to be accidental, 2nd was deliberate, and they thought I should have red carded him there and then, but understood I couldn't be sure.

 

[L'irlandais]

Good point Flipflop. Having gotten away with it once, only encouraged you player to reoffend.

The referee WB managed the situation, whether we agree, or not with how he managed it.
What is genuinely sad is that the Disciplinary people, have not seen fit to cite the player and make an example. Currently the message is, do what you like, ERC will not punish such behavior.
Perhaps if that shove ended his playing season, it would give our "professional" elite some food for thought.

His missus would certainly give him an ear-bashing for it.

 

[crossref]

SA Referee Article on this
http://www.sareferees.com/News/law-discussion-pushing-referee/2830582/

they believe he will be cited and they show the tarrifs that apply...

L

aws 10.4 (s) and 10.4 ()

Verbal Abuse of Match Officials
Lower end: 6 weeks
Mid range: 12 weeks
Top end: 18+ weeks
Maximum: 52 weeks

Threatening Actions or Words at Match Officials
Lower end: 12 weeks
Mid range: 24 weeks
Top end: 48+ weeks
Maximum: 260 weeks

Physical Abuse of Match Officials
Lower end: 24 weeks
Mid range: 48 weeks
Top end: 96+ weeks
Maximum: Life

So -- 24 weeks?

 

[dave_clark]

well it bloody well should be. at times you can argue that the ref was in the way and, while not deserving to be barged, was at least partially to blame. that just seems like a charge out of nowhere. and if we let that go...