Try saving tackle...or Mexican stand off

[crossref]

What do we think?
Try saving tackle, PK for not releasing.
Are the laws different close to tryline

 

[Dickie E]

Yes, I saw that and wondered exactly the same thing. PT even?

 

[Rushforth]

I don't see the problem. In Sevens it is OK to allow a bit of latitude both ways.

In XV, there might potentially be an argument that the tackler should release in the 0.4 seconds in which he held on to the ball carrier. 0.4 based on watching at 0.25x and the tackle taking less than 2 seconds at that rate.

PT would be even sillier that all passes travelling forwards under the pre-2016 laws should be considered deliberate and therefore penalisable.

 

[winchesterref]

Attackers momentum was taking him over the line, defender used this momentum to haul him into touch.

 

[Camquin]

I was told the tackler has to release immediately.
I reckon they were in touch by "-med-"
Fair contest in my mind.

Also a tackle can only take place in field of play.
Attackers foot was on the try line - so surely the defender is allowed to hold him up without rolling away.

 

[Taff]

Am I being thick? I can't see the problem. :chin:

 

[chbg]

Am I being thick? I can't see the problem. :chin:

No, you're being realistic.

 

[Ciaran Trainor]

Good call, great tackle

 

[Chris_j]

What do we think?
Try saving tackle, PK for not releasing.
Are the laws different close to tryline

There is an argument, yet to be settled, as to the correct call for tackler not releasing to prevent the ball carrier reaching out for a try near the goal line. However this is irrelevant in that discussion. It is a great tackle, nothing else. There is no hint of a delayed release here. If you want to open up the 'can hold on v must release' discussion again I would choose a better example.

 

[crossref]

For me I am happy with the decision made, line out. The tackler doesn't release him, he hauls him into touch , but these things are different close to the try line

 

[Ian_Cook]

What do we think?
Try saving tackle, PK for not releasing.
Are the laws different close to tryline

Nothing wrong with it, great play by the white defender.

Being close to the goal-line has nothing to do with this. I would be happy enough to play on of this happened anywhere else on the field.

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Oh, and "Mexican Stand-off"? Really?

(Sorry, couldn't resist)

 

[Dickie E]

Am I being thick? I can't see the problem. :chin:

Seriously? You don't understand the question being asked in the OP?

 

[Ian_Cook]

Seriously? You don't understand the question being asked in the OP?

I think Taff understands the question, but like me, he sees nothing wrong.

Scenario: Its a damp day, the ground is slippery on top. Sprinting ball carrier is tackled and brought to ground 4m short of the goal-line, the tackler releases (as per Law) and tackled player continues to slide the remaining 2-3m into in-goal and grounds the ball

Question: Try or PK against tackled player for not releasing.

If you think the former, you are probably in the same camp as Taff, myself and most others here.

If you think the latter, then I wonder why!

 

[Taff]

Seriously? You don't understand the question being asked in the OP?

I think Taff understands the question, but like me, he sees nothing wrong.

I understand the question Dickie (Crossref is querying whether the tackler released the ball carrier after the tackle) but I've now watched that video clip 7 times and still can't see a problem.

The pull to touch was all part of one fluid movement; and not even Black 7 had a moan about it.

If I was forced to be picky, I did wonder whether the tackle was high (ie started OK but slipped high) but I think White made a deliberate attempt to place his arm across his chest rather than the neck, so it wasn't dangerous IMO. A great try saving tackle - I bet deep down even the Black supporters admired it. :clap:

I was told the tackler has to release immediately. I reckon they were in touch by "-med-" Fair contest in my mind.

Sounds about right to me. :biggrin:

 

[4eyesbetter]

Great tackle, and he even manages to knock the ball so it bops his opponent on the nose. 5/5.

 

[Dickie E]

it conceivably is a double movement as opposed to a momemtum situation. Tackler makes tackle then, as a new motion, lunges backwards over touchline.

But if it happened midfield would next be questioned.

I can see it both ways. But that's just my nature.

 

[didds]

lineout.


didds

 

[Paule23]

I would say it doesn't matter where on the field this takes place, and would you penalise the tackler for this I say midfield?

I would say no, good tackle, the roll into touch would be the same as trying to roll the tackled player to face your teammates, which happens multiple times a game and is never penalised.