U19 scrum numbers (still confused)
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it did happen to me - (I didn't think anything of it, and didn't remark on it)
why would they do it?
I didn't ask why, but generally speaking perhaps ...
in adult rugby - when back is YC, it's automatic for a forward to drop back in the line. In youth rugby you have rolling subs, so why not bring that forward off for a bit and bring on a better back. perhaps a better defensive back as you are going to be a man down for the next 10 mins and organised defense is at a premium.
so at the moment the flanker was substututed, you'd stop the game, and talk to the captain and establish that with the substition he still had on the field eight players who were going to pack down in the next scrum?
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Nonsense! On that basis, the same illegality that YOU use to stop THEM doing something would also stop YOU from issuing a card to a forward.
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No, because the law specifically allows for that.
Exception: A team must have fewer than eight players in its scrum when the team cannot
field eight suitably trained players in its scrum due to either the team not fielding a
complete team, or a forward player being sent off or temporarily suspended for foul play, or
a forward player leaving the field because of injury.
There is nothing in there that says the exception applies if they voluntarily move a player out of the scrum.
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well when they made that sub alarm bells should have rung. When changing a player you should ensure it's not going to cause this type of issue:chin:
Potential lesson for all :clap: and a bloody good thread, even if it is hypothetical. When a team makes a sub, ensure they are swaping like for like otr that they can cover the sub if it's a fwd
well, only if you believe the law requires them to put eight in the scrum.
even then perhaps they could make the sub, and make another one if/when a scrum
arrives.
(but ... if you do think the law requires them to put eight in the scrum, if they can, then why wouldn't that apply after a flanker is YC, if they have other players on he pitch/bench who can play flanker)
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There is a big difference between cannot and will not.
If a team is incomplete and it cannot field eight suitably trained players in its scrum, the
scrum formation must be as follows:
No there isn't.
You are not a mind reader, you don't know what they cannot do and what they will not do and the Law does not make you one.
Remember we're always being told the most important part of the job is knowing when not to blow the whistle?
Well, there's absolutely no reason for any of us to get involved in this - a team is down to 14 men, we don't have to get involved in them choosing (or being forced by circumstances) to do, it's just not our problem.
So don't take it on. Don't try to second guess. Leave the decision to them and if eventually the IRB issue a clarification one way or the other, then go with it.
But until then... Not your monkey.