Why don't they make being in front of the kicker at kick-off a PK offence?

[belladonna]

Why don't they make being in front of the kicker at kick-off a PK offence? (Like it is at most other kicks.)

Georgia were totally taking the p*ss today, with their winger ahead of the kicker at every single kick-off, making a nuisance of himself to the catchers.

The current sanction is so lax it's not really a disincentive and it's hardly ever called by the ref.

Nothing a couple of PKs wouldn't sort out in a hurry

 

[Dixpat]

Why don't they make being in front of the kicker at kick-off a PK offence? (Like it is at most other kicks.)

Georgia were totally taking the p*ss today, with their winger ahead of the kicker at every single kick-off, making a nuisance of himself to the catchers.

The current sanction is so lax it's not really a disincentive and it's hardly ever called by the ref.

Nothing a couple of PKs wouldn't sort out in a hurry

I thought the same in the Italy v NZ game as well

 

[Dickie E]

The ref could always pull the 'intentional offending' card

 

[BikingBud]

Do you ever get that feeling of deja-vu?

Saint Nigel

Argentina kick off with less than a minute left. "Too far in front I cannot ignore that":wow::sad: So he is prepared to ignore some? In front is in front isn't it? Just like being pregnant:shrug:

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[didds]

The ref could always pull the 'intentional offending' card

the ref COULD.
COULD being an operative word.

It of course NEVER is at these levels. For some off reason. Which given a T03 must be pretty simple to spot after all.

In the same way simple things ike squint feeds and throwers standing infield at lineouts are called.

Oh....

 

[Dickie E]

the ref COULD.
COULD being an operative word.

It of course NEVER is at these levels. For some off reason. Which given a T03 must be pretty simple to spot after all.

In the same way simple things ike squint feeds and throwers standing infield at lineouts are called.

Oh....

I don't see how taking Belladonna's suggestion of making the offence a penalty will encourage elite referees to pick it up

 

[SimonSmith]

Do you ever get that feeling of deja-vu?

Saint Nigel

Argentina kick off with less than a minute left. "Too far in front I cannot ignore that":wow::sad: So he is prepared to ignore some? In front is in front isn't it? Just like being pregnant:shrug:

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What, Nige being Kaplan like again?

He's turning into a prize twat.

 

[crossref]

It's a classic ATP thing, I would certainly PK a repeated offence

 

[didds]

I don't see how taking Belladonna's suggestion of making the offence a penalty will encourage elite referees to pick it up

And Id agree with that indeed.

 

[Lee Lifeson-Peart]

Do you ever get that feeling of deja-vu?

Saint Nigel

Argentina kick off with less than a minute left. "Too far in front I cannot ignore that":wow::sad: So he is prepared to ignore some? In front is in front isn't it? Just like being pregnant:shrug:

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Again?

 

[Stu10]

Why don't they make being in front of the kicker at kick-off a PK offence? (Like it is at most other kicks.)

Georgia were totally taking the p*ss today, with their winger ahead of the kicker at every single kick-off, making a nuisance of himself to the catchers.

The current sanction is so lax it's not really a disincentive and it's hardly ever called by the ref.

Nothing a couple of PKs wouldn't sort out in a hurry

It's only a penalty if team mates in front of the kicker in open play... at a restart, PK or FK the sanction is a scrum.

 

[BikingBud]

It's only a penalty if team mates in front of the kicker in open play... at a restart, PK or FK the sanction is a scrum.

Isn't the point that @belladonna is trying to make that it should be reclassified as a penalty?

We then need to see it applied zealously and the long range kickers slotting 3 pointers from the halfway line to bring about a change in behaviour very rapidly.

 

[Stu10]

Isn't the point that @belladonna is trying to make that it should be reclassified as a penalty?

We then need to see it applied zealously and the long range kickers slotting 3 pointers from the halfway line to bring about a change in behaviour very rapidly.

It wasn't clear what was meant in the OP by "most other kicks"... in reality, it is only a penalty regarding a kick in open play, which is the only one scenario.

 

[crossref]

i think the scrum sanction is OK, tbh.

I do sanction it sometimes. My thinking is
- fat slow prop ambling 1m ahead, I'll ignore it (perhaps have a word at some point if it's annoying )
- speedster hairing after the ball and 1m ahead at top speed -- if he gets to the catch fast enough to make a diffrence, happily sanction that first time, otherwise I'll make a point to tell him not so do it again

 

[Stu10]

I was told by a more experienced ref to tell the kicker that it's his responsibility to ensure his teammates are behind him... I've found it works quite well.

 

[Dixpat]

I do sanction it sometimes. My thinking is
- fat slow prop ambling 1m ahead, I'll ignore it (perhaps have a word at some point if it's annoying )
- speedster hairing after the ball and 1m ahead at top speed -- if he gets to the catch fast enough to make a difference, happily sanction that first time, otherwise I'll make a point to tell him not so do it again

But didn't you say in another thread

"Yes but generally speaking equity and fairness means applying the Law (rather than making It up as you go along)"

How does "sanctioning it sometimes" align with that statement

 

[SimonSmith]

I was told by a more experienced ref to tell the kicker that it's his responsibility to ensure his teammates are behind him... I've found it works quite well.

This is the right answer

 

[crossref]

But didn't you say in another thread

"Yes but generally speaking equity and fairness means applying the Law (rather than making It up as you go along)"

How does "sanctioning it sometimes" align with that statement

Put it this way: I wouldn't deal with a person in front of the kicker by stopping the clock and telling them to take the kick again, because I felt that was fairer