I'm not sure I could tell the difference between someone standing 9m away and someone standing 10m away, without the help of some nearby lines (such as half way and the 10).
so they'd soon realise that, and they'd stand 8m away
I'm not sure I could tell the difference between someone standing 9m away and someone standing 10m away, without the help of some nearby lines (such as half way and the 10).
This is the same as players slightly offside on the opposite side of ruck or maul, they are so far away from the action they have no influence on the game which is 20m away, yet the crowd or coach will shout offsides... to be a referee you have to be deaf and thick skinned and hold your tongue, once you get into and argument with a coach or spectator over laws you are in trouble.
Without the assistance of lines on the pitch who can step off 10m? My guess is that 9 of 10 would come up short. So to quibble about a 10% variance in an imprecise measure on something immaterial is just ....
I agree - but even then I think the time to make the point is just before the PK is taken and the point would be made by advancing it 10m.
But nobody (apart from you) is talking about it being a persistent problem. In the scenario described it is clearly immaterial. You would be trying to "manage" a complete non-issue ... the only person who would advocate that is the kind of person who could start an argument in an empty room. - Ah! Sorry! I was forgetting ... YOU could start an argument in an empty room! :biggrin:so if they were persistently standing 9m away, at every single PK - you'd just let them?
I wouldn't, I'd ask, then tell, then penalise them not to.
But nobody (apart from you) is talking about it being a persistent problem. In the scenario described it is clearly immaterial. You would be trying to "manage" a complete non-issue ... the only person who would advocate that is the kind of person who could start an argument in an empty room. - Ah! Sorry! I was forgetting ... YOU could start an argument in an empty room! :biggrin:
f this was a one-off, and the kick is to touch, it's not material (so just have a word - 10m next time please), but if it was persistent and you'd already had that word, then sanction with 10m at
Crossref how can you penalise them until the kick is taken? Until its taken they could still retreat and be back 10 metres.
But you still can't penalise until the kick is taken
how would you manage it if it was persistent?
If the defence are repeatedly only retreating 9 metres every time the team in possession kick for touch I would repeatedly not take a blind bit of notice, because it doesn't make a jot of difference.
If the defence are repeatedly only retreating 9 metres every time the team in possession kick for touch I would repeatedly not take a blind bit of notice, because it doesn't make a jot of difference.
So, presumably, if a team has decided not to contest any line outs where the opposition are throwing in, you would still still penalise the team throwing in every time the ball was not straight, would you?NOPE for me. IF they continually ignore the laws they know that THEY and not YOU are in control. Or to put it another way they are taking the piss and you have lost their respect.
ASK
TELL
PING!!!!
The referees' mantra.
So, presumably, if a team has decided not to contest any line outs where the opposition are throwing in, you would still still penalise the team throwing in every time the ball was not straight, would you?
Neither of those are the scenario I outlined.- maybe their plan is to not contest the next two or three and then, when the oppo have relaxed, contest the following one.
- perhaps they've been driven to non-contest because the ref is persistently allowing crooked throws.
Neither of those are the scenario I outlined.
The opposition have made a conscious decision not to contest lineouts when it is not their throw. A perfectly legitimate (and not uncommon) tactic.
The throws are subsequently not straight. Are you going to penalise them? Straightforward question - it doesn't require contrived adaptations to the scenario before you answer.
And in a match where you don't have an AR marking the 10m?
Are you going to march off 10 paces (or do you carry a tape measure) to demonstrate that your 10 paces is different from their 10 paces?
I'd care much more about how rapidly they retreated than how far.
So, presumably, if a team has decided not to contest any line outs where the opposition are throwing in, you would still still penalise the team throwing in every time the ball was not straight, would you?