that really made me smile: I am imagining it on the referee's RC report
I saw Red #12 give Blue #5 a small slap to the face. I issued a RC and told him to leave the field.
Hartley red card - Saints v Leinster
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that really made me smile: I am imagining it on the referee's RC report
I saw Red #12 give Blue #5 a small slap to the face. I issued a RC and told him to leave the field.
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too late. noble though your final cause was.
It musty be so difficult for football to referee this.
or maybe because of it nobody actually throws a punch, except to expect a red card. How strange.
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I have a different idea about why footballers don't throw punches!
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Six Weeks is nowhere near enough given his appalling record of thuggery. Only one week added on for his previous form? Really? What a gutless cop-out by the judiciary. Yet another lost opportunity to send a real message that thugs won't be tolerated in the game.
How convenient that it was just enough to allow him to play in the opening match of the Six Nations. I smell a rat at the highest levels of the European game.
How convenient that it was just enough to allow him to play in the opening match of the Six Nations. I smell a rat at the highest levels of the European game.
It's always been thus. Whenever Martin Johnson was banned he would 'coincidentally' be free to play again a week before England's next match.
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It's 2 weeks for deterrence and subtract 1 for a guilty plea.
How the hell he could have pled otherwise is beyond me.
How the hell he could have pled otherwise is beyond me.
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It proves the system is corrupt. Did we expect anything else?
I dunno - the main reason that people are giving for six weeks not being enough, is that the 6N starts in seven weeks (ie he deserved to miss a bit of that, at least).
but that's not the way the disciplinary system works.
I have yet to see an argument that is actually based on the process
- entry point / mid point / top end
- severity of offence on that scale
+ deterence
+/- previous record
+/- remorse behaviour
etc.
really any argument that 6-weeks isn't enough need to run through those steps, see what you end up with.
the fact that the 6N is seven weeks away is not relevant
but that's not the way the disciplinary system works.
I have yet to see an argument that is actually based on the process
- entry point / mid point / top end
- severity of offence on that scale
+ deterence
+/- previous record
+/- remorse behaviour
etc.
really any argument that 6-weeks isn't enough need to run through those steps, see what you end up with.
the fact that the 6N is seven weeks away is not relevant
well that's the point I am making, didds - if you know neither the criteria for deciding if its top/middle/bottom nor the recommended sanctions for top/middle/bottom... then, really, you can't have a valid opinion about whether six weeks is the right penalty.
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He was charged with striking 10.4(a) I believe.
LE 2 weeks
MR 5 weeks
TE 8+ weeks (max 52)
Presumably they called it MR, added a couple on for previous record and/or deterrence, and took one off for a guilty plea and not eating the biscuits.
Result = 6 weeks
LE 2 weeks
MR 5 weeks
TE 8+ weeks (max 52)
Presumably they called it MR, added a couple on for previous record and/or deterrence, and took one off for a guilty plea and not eating the biscuits.
Result = 6 weeks
I heard their thinking was:
Mid range = 6 weeks (fair enough)
Guilty plea = -1 week (given that the evidence against him was overwhelming, I don't know if the guilty plea is worth anything)
Remorse = -1 week (well who isn't sorry by the time they're in the dock?)
Previous record = +2 weeks (this is where they could, and IME should, have hit him. Makes you wonder how bad a record you'd need for an appreciable extension)
Mid range = 6 weeks (fair enough)
Guilty plea = -1 week (given that the evidence against him was overwhelming, I don't know if the guilty plea is worth anything)
Remorse = -1 week (well who isn't sorry by the time they're in the dock?)
Previous record = +2 weeks (this is where they could, and IME should, have hit him. Makes you wonder how bad a record you'd need for an appreciable extension)
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Oh _ I thoubght there were puvblished criteria for min/max sanctions etc. Apologies!
Fair comment CR. Thanks
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