Burrell was robbed!

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Good of the ref to spot and penalise an Italian player who played the ball when ahead of a team mate who kicked the ball out of Burrell's hand, but surely the act of kicking the ball to prevent Burrell scoring should have been a YC and a PT?

[LAWS]15.6(j) When a tackled player reaches out to ground the ball on or over the goal line to score a try,
an opponent may pull the ball from the player’s possession, but must not kick or attempt to kick the ball.
Sanction: Penalty kick[/LAWS]

Given that he failed to spot the PT and YC, did anyone else think that the player ahead of the kicker was unlucky to be YC'd? It was a reaction event that IMO fails the cynical test needed for a red zone YC.
 

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Certainly the kick out of the hands should be punished. It happens too often at rucks when the SH has the ball in his hands. Alan-Wyn & The Breadman had a go a couple of times today. We need it to be pinged.
 

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he was also robbed by his coach !

2nd best england backline player of the series and he gets to come off for Tuilangi - If MT needs game time WTF didn't May get subbed off and Tuilangi/Burrell play on the wing?

may is the biggest waste of space in this england backline.

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May is the biggest waste of space in this England backline.
True - but Lancaster needs the tour to NZ to be a preparation for the RWC, not a nursery. We have a lot of good wingers, but too many are injured (Yarde, Wade) or out of form (Ashton). With only a few months to the RWC, it makes sense to give May a shot to see what he can do. He didn't take that shot - so Lancaster needs to either improve him as a player and let him sink or swim against NZ, or else cast him adrift. If he does that, we are back to hoping Ashton can recover some form. He's had more chances than May and failed to take them.

Tough one for all concerned. Was it worth putting aside development to try to put a cricket score on Italy in order to have a hope of the 6N title on points difference? Or treat the (very unlikely) 6N title on points difference as secondary to development? Burrell has surely done enough to earn his place as starting centre against NZ -Tuilagi is a beast and will always commit multiple defenders, but he needs to improve his offload. Burrell is the better centre.
 

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he was also robbed by his coach !

2nd best england backline player of the series and he gets to come off for Tuilangi - If MT needs game time WTF didn't May get subbed off and Tuilangi/Burrell play on the wing?

may is the biggest waste of space in this england backline.

didds

Burrell looked fed up when was taken off.

May plays like a football convert in the U13s.

Not too late to get Ryan Hall from Leeds Rhinos!:biggrin:

Tuilagi on the wing?
 

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of form (Ashton). With only a fTrue - but Lancaster needs the tour to NZ to be a preparation for the RWC, not a nursery.

yes... and no. What's teh focus here? and where is "the nuursery" ? In some ways naturtally the saxons are tghe nursery. But with such ninnury lists the niursery now becomes the nursery for the muums+toddlers group and tghe main squad becomes the deep end swimming lesson". So when the nursey hasn;t quote copmpeketd its job because of external factors... where does the jursery then start? topurs it seems to em no moatter how important for bragging rights and "think of tyhis next RWC" then becopm,e the nirsery. uinless you as coach are in a aposition to say - err... this 6N/RWC we are noty looking to win it ?

what on earth do you8 do? every full on iintyernatioal otherwise bec0mes "must win" - and there IS no nursery at the top end.

Its a circle that can;t be squred. there are no alternatives.

basically what i am sayig is yes I understand where May has come from (and Wilson !). And why he/they are rthere. But there experiment has - if not really failed, at leats not come rto fruition - not worked. So what next> Coninue wi5h someone that has not deleivered for m"one more series" - or try someone else.

Or do you say May never had a chance all 6N so blame Burrell. (and would MT would have been any different for a winger?). So you either sack both/all the centres and start again or you look for hungrier wingers?

If he [Lancaster] does that, we are back to hoping Ashton can recover some form. He's had more chances than May and failed to take them.
True - but maybe imp[ortantly for him he took the early chances. He's not in the fame anyway. If lancaster canlt find a true winger that is hungry then play MT on the wing - if you belive ehis defense is good enough. that thens ends a signal - if you are a left wing in England and you want to wear that shirt - coem and make a claim. Or get fit (to be fair).



Was it worth putting aside development to try to put a cricket score on Italy in order to have a hope of the 6N title on points difference? Or treat the (very unlikely) 6N title on points difference as secondary to development?

there's the rub. As an internationall coach there are no "development games" - unless you want to be patronising. Every game you play is a "must win" game. Apart from the pathetically meaningless two warm up games on tour! which are now no okre than "here is what i want as our A team, please gell in 160 minutes"!

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Neither wing May nor Nowell makes the grade for me - good club players but not international class IMHO.
 

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I thought Nowell grew in confidence each game, could potentially grow into a very decent winger - offered a lot more than May. Bring in Yarde, Wade and give Watson a go soon, and we have the makings of 4 very good wingers and a top back 3.
 

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Any winger who wears a scrum cap doesn't deserve to play for his country :mad:

The clue is in the name!
 

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Neither wing May nor Nowell makes the grade for me - good club players but not international class IMHO.

I don't totally disagree simon... but in the absence of the two guys that probably would be there this was nm opportunity to grab with both hands. ( The obvious comparison is Marler in Corsibierio's absence - was given a chance and has taken it. not the world's bestlosse head - but does the job. and is preferred over M Vunipola thank god!)

Nowell looked like he wanted to grab that opportunity.

May looked scared/out of his depth.

Which winger incidentally scored on the left side of the field yesterday?

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