Background: a red player was held by a blue player, and was joined by plenty of other red players long before the six of them were lying on the ground. A clear penalty under either maul or ruck law, so no issue there.
My question is: can a maul ever become a ruck?
Note that I used to believe so, but that my current understanding based on other threads here is that we nowadays tolerate it when the original ball-carrier "collapses the maul" in the interest of keeping the game going, but should the ball remain unplayable the defending side gets the scrum put-in as per the maul law.
It used to be side going forward for both, so less "difficult".
And to instantly derail my own question, how far can a maul move from the original "tackle" site before the ball-carrier going down becomes an issue? I've only pinged it once, U17 last season, when the maul had been driven some 10 yards diagonally upfield, and the ball-carrier then decided to flop to ground.
My question is: can a maul ever become a ruck?
Note that I used to believe so, but that my current understanding based on other threads here is that we nowadays tolerate it when the original ball-carrier "collapses the maul" in the interest of keeping the game going, but should the ball remain unplayable the defending side gets the scrum put-in as per the maul law.
It used to be side going forward for both, so less "difficult".
And to instantly derail my own question, how far can a maul move from the original "tackle" site before the ball-carrier going down becomes an issue? I've only pinged it once, U17 last season, when the maul had been driven some 10 yards diagonally upfield, and the ball-carrier then decided to flop to ground.