Charge down puts oppo on side

[Stu10]

It's interesting to apply it to Law 10
Because it's not intentional it wouldn't put anyone onside , and because it's not a charge down the 10m law would apply.

Yes... that's what this whole thread is about!

 

[crossref]

Yes... that's what this whole thread is about!

Still, would like to see an example of touching or playing, which is not a charge down

 

[Locke]

Still, would like to see an example of touching or playing, which is not a charge down

Couldn’t it just be a player attempting to catch the kick but, instead of a clean catch, the ball is knocked/dropped?

 

[crossref]

Couldn’t it just be a player attempting to catch the kick but, instead of a clean catch, the ball is knocked/dropped?

Trying to catch it as it lands, agreed
What if they try and catch it as it is kicked ? It is just a case of judging intention?
Tried to catch - not a charge down
Tried to block - charge down
Stuck out an instinctive hand to deflect/slow down .. not a charge down ?

 

[Stu10]

Still, would like to see an example of touching or playing, which is not a charge down

I can't find an example on YouTube, but in my playing days I've seen a number of dodgy kicks hit with a low angle of trajectory that have hit someone in front of the kicker, both teammates and opposition... I think you know it when you see it whether someone is trying to block the kick or the kicked ball has hit a player.

 

[crossref]

I can't find an example on YouTube, but in my playing days I've seen a number of dodgy kicks hit with a low angle of trajectory that have hit someone in front of the kicker, both teammates and opposition... I think you know it when you see it whether someone is trying to block the kick or the kicked ball has hit a player.

That's not the quite same. 10.4.c distinguishes (deliberate) playing of the ball from charging down

This is known as the 10-metre law and still applies if the ball touches or is played by an opponent but not when the kick is charged down

So we need to find the difference

 

[Stu10]

That's not the quite same. 10.4.c distinguishes (deliberate) playing of the ball from charging down

This is known as the 10-metre law and still applies if the ball touches or is played by an opponent but not when the kick is charged down

So we need to find the difference

Charge down puts oppo on side

who is an offside player? the definition tells us in front of a team mate who was last to play the ball. It's a head scratcher, all right Who was the last "team mate" to play the ball? The player who kicked it. Is the catcher in front of that player? Yes he is, so he is offside. ...and he...

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(Sorry @number11 I feel like I'm throwing you under a bus with this post )

 

[Dickie E]

Trying to catch it as it lands, agreed
What if they try and catch it as it is kicked ? It is just a case of judging intention?
Tried to catch - not a charge down
Tried to block - charge down
Stuck out an instinctive hand to deflect/slow down .. not a charge down ?

that pretty well sums it up for me. I think the key word is "block" and the blocking action invariably commences before the kick and can involve any part of the body

 

[crossref]

the blocking action invariably commences before the kick

I like that bit, I think that really gets to the nub of it.

 

[Stu10]

that pretty well sums it up for me. I think the key word is "block" and the blocking action invariably commences before the kick and can involve any part of the body

I agree with this. Also, I would say charge down if someone positioned themselves for a close-up full body block and attempted a catch in the process.

 

[crossref]

I agree with this. Also, I would say charge down if someone positioned themselves for a close-up full body block and attempted a catch in the process.

That sounds like a knock on to me (if it went forward)'

 

[didds]

I guess it means that if it was an attempted CATCH (not a block) but the catch failed (but the "catcher" touched the ball) and the ball went backwards from the "catcher " theres no knock on, but the ball has been played at... so 10m law applies ?

 

[Camquin]

I have seen charge downs, where the ball goes forwards off the chargers hands and yet keeps going up for a bit- and those are never called a knock on.

Just checked my 2014 printed law book, and that did not have a definition of a charge down either - just the same picture as now.

 

[Rich_NL]

From

Law Clarifications | World Rugby Laws

Clarifications in law for the game of rugby union, as requested by unions or individuals.

www.world.rugby

"The act of a charge down is one where an opposition player not in possession of the ball approaches a kicker at close quarters and makes an attempt to block the kick."

Close quarters and some measure of intent (which of course we as refs etc etc) seem to be the criteria.