Dean Richards

[goose]

Forgive me but i'm a bit uncomfortable with this.

If a person is banned from working with chidren from 10 years for a crime and then was employed by a consultancy firm to review documents regarding your child (possibly info and pictures), would you be happy?

Sensationalist i know, but the same principle?

His ban was, in my mind fair. His action was designed to cheat at the very highest level. Dont forget he tried to get a specialist kicker on the field at a vital time. And by saying he is above the law because he has an important part to play in english rugby is, well plainly wrong......

As for the 100 times a week comment, i've never seen it happen once. I have seen some-one who was "out on their feet" after a bang to the head, and the ref asked the captains if he could give the player time thru "blood sub", which was allowed. No deceit, just concern and an intrest in fairness.

 

[Ian_Cook]

Of course (and totally unrelated to this post) the only thing that Dean Richards did wrong was that he got caught.

Anyone which thinks that he is the only person in authority at a professional sports team who has used or has been involved in the use of fake blood capsules to feign blood injuries is living in Fantasyland.

The use of fake blood capsules has been commonplace ever since outbreak of AIDS forced sports to adopt rules/laws around bleeding and open wounds.


Hopefully, the steadily increasing use of the rolling substitution Laws will see an end to the sham!

 

[chopper15]

JUSTICE?


Former Harlequins physiotherapist Steph Brennan struck off for his role in infamous fake-injury scandal. The HPC had a range of sanctions at its disposal, ranging from issuing a caution, suspension or having Brennan struck off. Brennan has the right of appeal to the High Court in England and Wales.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ru...struck-off-by-Health-Professions-Council.html

The matchday doctor at the centre of the "Bloodgate" fake injury rugby scandal said today she was pleased that she could return to medicine and hoped to put an 18-month nightmare behind her.

Ex-rugby director Dean Richards receive a three-year worldwide coaching ban and is now waiting clarification from the RFU as to what is permissable under his ban, such as after dinner speaking. (one must wonder what about?)

Whitehaven flanker Callum Jennings Despite a five-year suspension handed out in July for an alarming incident that resulted in the blinding of an Aspatria player there are no plans to outlaw the hand-off. Jennings protested his innocence, claiming he was handing-off his would-be tackler.

 

[SimonSmith]

Your point?

 

[didds]

I take choppers point as being that theer is no equivalence" in what has happened.

Purely within Bloodgate, a physio has lost his legal right (if that is the correct term) to be called a physio and practice physiotherapy. A doctor has been permitted to continue to practice. The chief instigator of it all has received a 3 year ban which seems to be almost meaningless possibly.

Reflected against that is the whitehaven chaps, who, as well as anyone can actually prove, did no different than many others do every match, but was "unlucky" to end up causing damage unintentionally and so now faces a 5 year ban.

Chopers point I believe that there is no concistency.

As for me, the above is a quick summary - I appreciate there were possibly differences in depths of knowledge as to what was occurring between the physio and doctor for example.



didds

 

[Dixie]

It is highly debatable whether Richards could be rightly accused of "working in rugby. Surely, Richards is working for the consultant, not for Worcester rugby.

If I have a customer (Mr. Bloggs) who asks me for advice regarding image he wants printed on canvas and stretched over a frame. and I consult Fred Smith's Canvas Printing Ltd about the printing part, Mr Smith isn't working for Mr. Bloggs, he is working for me.

There's the answer then! Deano can sign up for a temping agency; Halequins can ask that temping agency whether they're able to supply a temporary premiership manager to cover a 3-year hiatus until tehir regular chap comes back; the agency just happens to have someone who might fit the bill; everyone's happy, adn Deano's not working for Quins, but for the temping agency.

As for me, the above is a quick summary - I appreciate there were possibly differences in depths of knowledge as to what was occurring between the physio and doctor for example.

I think Chopper's post is spot on. To Didds' point, Brennon didn't hurt anyone, and was struck off for not havig the courage to insist on the standards of integrity inherent in being a physio. It seems that doctors have a lower integrity threshold than physios, and can hurt people for non-medical reasons with impugnity.

 

[OB..]

There is always a problem with such simplistic comparisons because they miss out a lot of detail. For example, we know that Brennan had been involved several times before, because he said so. As far as I know, it was the first time the doctor had got caught up in it.

It is a bit like saying "a punch is a punch is a punch, and they should all be red carded."

 

[goose]

So when is a punch nt a punch OB? All attempted strikes will at least gain a PK response, and work up from that to :norc: . After all this is a thugs game played by gentlemen, and gentlemen dont punch each other surely!:wink: :wink: The problem is i dont think that the LoTG cover match-fixing.

And if a physio lost his career over doing something twice (3 times were for player welfare which i dont have an issue with) under pressure from his boss then i would of thought that his boss should of faced the same outcome.

Personally i think that cricket has the right idea. Anything dodgy and you face up to a lifetime ban, and the bottom line is DR was involved in trying to cheat to whatever extent it took to win. To hell with his players, his staff, his club and the wider game.

Its a real shame, such a great player with much to give back to his sport, but IMHO he has brought shame on himself and his club and should be trying to right his wrongs elsewhere, AT LEAST untill the end of his ban.

 

[dave_clark]

nope, cricket doesn't have that. it's only suggested that anyone involved in fixing gets a ban. "anything dodgy" and "trying to cheat" could encompass appealing for lbw or caught behind when it's clear that it was outside the line / inside edge / not hit etc, or not walking when nicked. or indeed arguing with the umpire (which those on here probably would agree with!)

 

[OB..]

So when is a punch nt a punch OB? All attempted strikes will at least gain a PK response

You answered your own question - not all punches are worth a red card (which was my point).

I am not quite sure about "player welfare" as an excuse. If a player needs to come off, then bring him off and play one short if necessary. I don't see it justifies cheating (though I understand the pressure to do so).

Dean Richards has also lost his job. So the equivalent would perhaps be Brennan acting as a broker to provide physiotherapists to clubs.

I am no more comfortable with the apparent gaps in the ban on Dean Richards than the authorities appear to be, but that is a separate issue.

 

[chopper15]

. . . and The RFU said, there are no plans to outlaw the hand-off.