I don't agree
Brown was landed flat on his back, not head & shoulders first,
YC at most
Clear Yellow there for the high.
In the tackle you refer to, the shoulders of the England player are visible above the Samoan #12's arms during contact. They had to replay it over and over to come to a decision. Not so clear and obvious and debatable if it was in fact illegal as per the LoTG.
Ian_Cook:287496 said:I don't agree
Brown was landed flat on his back, not head & shoulders first,
YC at most
Law (or guidance) reference for that? Does that make a difference..
No he didn't. Ref asked to look at potential forward pass. TMO suggested he also consider obstruction. While looking at the replays, AR (Leighton Hodges by the sound of it) asked if ref was happy with the potential tip tackle. Ref never acknowledged this input and AR didn't press the point.Ok - I haven;t re-seen the tackle yet so i'll go with you guys saying it WAS MB's back that hit the ground first (and agreed that that is a YC indeed).
is this the elephant in the room though? So why didn't the tackler get a YC? Ref had already said to the TMO also look at the dump tackle.
Didds
No he didn't. Ref asked to look at potential forward pass. TMO suggested he also consider obstruction. While looking at the replays, AR (Leighton Hodges by the sound of it) asked if ref was happy with the potential tip tackle. Ref never acknowledged this input and AR didn't press the point.
We have been around this loop many times, we know the definition of a tip tackle, it's in the laws, but there doesn't seem to any longer be any published guidelines, consistent practice around cards.
The Law says 'upper body' so shoulder is same as head.
The old 2009 memo (no longer on the irb website) didn't distinguish head or shoulder in terms of card.
Perhaps there is a new, secret memo somewhere
so basically a tip-tackler gets lucky if their actions end up with the tackled player hitting the ground fiorst with a scapula rather than a shoulder/head, which is total luck or depends upon the tip-tackled player moving and thus saving the tackler form a RC?
Maybe next time the tip-tackler won;t be so lucky - and maybe next time there is a broken neck.
Winner.
didds
We get the secret memo every year in our ARU game management guidelines. :wink:
" Lifting tackles that place players in danger of injury must have serious consequences. The onus is on the tackler to complete the tackle safely. Dropping or throwing tackled players once they are in a dangerous position is to be strongly sanctioned.
• Any time a tackled player's legs are lifted above horizontal it should result in a yellow card as a minimum.
• If the tackled player is lifted and lands on his shoulder or head area it should result in a red card. A tackled player placing a hand down at the last second to stop a 'head or shoulder area landing' should not influence this sanction."