Blackberry
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10 years reffing, today was my first red card, and exactly as the wiser heads predicted, you know straight away when its a red!
First Red Card Today
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Toby Warren
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Well what happened?!
Blackberry
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Hi Toby
Am I allowed to talk about it before the hearing?
Am I allowed to talk about it before the hearing?
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It was a coach (from an excellent and well regarded club) who came onto the pitch and incited his players. He was then a tad aggressive in the clubhouse. I understand the RFU gave him a six week touchline ban and warned the club if there was a repeat of this behaviour within 12 months there would be other sanctions (there won't be any repeat, it is a wonderful club)
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Yep, that's right
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*opens pop corn*
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If Andy goes 1 game without a card he gets withdrawal symptoms!!10 years and no red cards?? What have you missed???
TBH I didn't realise you could red card a coach. Ref Abuse yes, but Foul Play? :chin:
10.5 Sanctions
(a) Any player who infringes any part of the Foul Play Law must be admonished, or cautioned and temporarily suspended for a period of ten minutes’ playing time, or sent-off.
(b) A player who has been cautioned and temporarily suspended who then commits a second cautionable offence within the Foul Play Law must be sent-off.
10.6 Yellow and red cards(a) When a player has been cautioned and temporarily suspended in an International match the referee will show that player a yellow card.
(b) When a player has been sent off in an International match, the referee will show that player a red card.
(c) For other matches the Match Organiser or Union having jurisdiction over the match may decide upon the use of yellow and red cards.
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If he is on the pitch I think you can, after all what is a RC if it's not an instruction to leave the pitch? the card makes that instruction unequivocal, and evident to everyone else.
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Hmmm, I don't believe you can red card a coach. By all means send them away, but send off?
That's what I was thinking. :chin:
isn't that a distinction without a difference?
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It's all about Mgmt isn't it?
What all agree is we can 'send them off' i.e. removing them from the game, the technical areas or send them to the club house if we need to. How that actually happens i.e. by telling them directly, explaining to the captain that the coach needs to go before the game restarts or using a red card doesn't really matter does it?
Personally I wouldn't use the red card but if a ref does don't think it's the end of the world.
What all agree is we can 'send them off' i.e. removing them from the game, the technical areas or send them to the club house if we need to. How that actually happens i.e. by telling them directly, explaining to the captain that the coach needs to go before the game restarts or using a red card doesn't really matter does it?
Personally I wouldn't use the red card but if a ref does don't think it's the end of the world.
But red cards carry consequences eg a report has to be submitted, we have to stipulate which law/s have been broken etc.
If I was a smart arse defence team, the first thing I would argue is that the laws apply to players / teams .... And strictly speaking my client is neither. A technicality maybe, but why risk it. Personally, I would just bang in a Referee Abuse form.
hmm - if it got the to stage that I had to actually order a coach from the field during the game, I would expect to submit a report and that consequences to follow, whether or not I physically brandished a card
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you can do what you like as a referee if you have a problem to solve, and I am not going to worry about the fine letter of the Laws as and when you have to deal with the Coach on the pitch. He has broken 6.A.4 by entering the pitch and most likely has a 10.4 of some form coming at him too.
If (and it is a big if, as other courses of action may be better) in management terms the best solution is to show a coach a red card as an effective communication, I would fully support any of our referees who did so.
But as far as the Disciplinary Committee are concerned they need to get a Referee Abuse form NOT a dismissal form.
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