How's this season going re new law interprretations down in the weeds?

[Pablo]

That, and don't make the house signal for a scrum

https://laws.worldrugby.org/?signal_category=3&videoid=6

 

[crossref]

so what is the signal for a scrum?
?

This is
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[Decorily]

This is
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Of course the 'house' signal is also there labelled as " Forming a scrum".

The only time I use it is as a reminder after a stoppage etc or, as I stated above , when asked by someone what's happening!

 

[crossref]

I think you are supposed to use it to signal that the team has chosen the option of a scrum

 

[smeagol]

In the weeds in my neck of the woods, I still occasionally have to yell at forwards who hear a short whistle and automatically retreat 10m, especially this early in the season.

 

[Dickie E]

That, and don't make the house signal for a scrum

are you seriously saying that some ref coaches will comment on that?

 

[crossref]

are you seriously saying that some ref coaches will comment on that?

Well, no, I said it with a smiley face !

But yes, long ago I was told that, both in person and .. when I queried it .. again here on this forum.

And I do observe that it's a signal that novice refs use very frequently but experienced refs use seldomly, so I infer that it is still being taught away from.

Do you do it ?

 

[Dickie E]

Do you do it ?

only if it clarifies some confusion. But I'm sure I could find a lot more relevant & useful items to bring to a novice ref's attention.

 

[crossref]

only if it clarifies some confusion. But I'm sure I could find a lot more relevant & useful items to bring to a novice ref's attention.

The agree .. it's a bit like using the wrong type of whistle

But on the other hand when I was a brand new ref and someone told me 'here is two or three things Y u are doing that , while not bad in themselves, mark you out as a newbie "

Well , I would have been pleased to learn that, and to stop doing them

And on that theme .. here are some things I would say mark out a novice

Type of whistle is one
House signals is another
Long and complicated PMB is another
Automatic advantage after every single offence is another

 

[didds]

Automatic advantage after every single offence is another

Not limited to newbies IME, but usually its coach referees that I suspect have never done an ELRA/are under a society's care.

Its woeful - when I see it done I just wonder how much rugby they actually _understand_

didds

 

[didds]

Automatic advantage after every single offence is another

and TBH Id hope that this ranks higher than a "this isn't really important but I'll mention it to you in passing" to a mentor/assessor. It demonstrates a gross lack of understanding of what is actually happening for a start

didds

 

[Rich_NL]

- Whistle without signal, then talking to players to explain what you're whistling for, then maybe a halfhearted arm-flap that could be indicating a scrum or a penalty
- Whistle at a restart kick
- shouting "Tackle, release" after every single tackle

I've not really noticed a difference in the matches I've seen and reffed, I have been pleasantly surprised at the relative lack of cards following the new framework though. I still have to ref a lowest-tier match, though.

 

[crossref]

- Whistle without signal, then talking to players to explain what you're whistling for, then maybe a halfhearted arm-flap that could be indicating a scrum or a penalty
.

Yes. , That

 

[Phil E]

- shouting "Tackle, release" after every single tackle

This is mandatory at certain junior levels. U11 and U12 I think?

This is from the U12 regs.

[LAWS]8. The Tackle, Maul and Ruck:
a) A “Tackle” occurs when the ball carrier is held by one or more
opponents and is brought to ground. A ball carrier who is not held
is not a tackled player and a tackle has not taken place. Opposition
players who hold the ball carrier and bring that player to ground, and
who also go to ground, are known as tacklers. Opposition players
who hold the ball carrier and do not go to ground are not tacklers.
The tackle must include the use of arms. Where the ball carrier is
taken to ground, the referee will call “Tackle-Release”.[/LAWS]

 

[Rich_NL]

In RFU-land it may be compulsory, but not here... I was admittedly forgetting mini rugby I can think of several U12 practices here that would mark a ref out as inexperienced in an adult match!

 

[Decorily]

In RFU-land it may be compulsory, but not here... I was admittedly forgetting mini rugby I can think of several U12 practices here that would mark a ref out as inexperienced in an adult match!

And vice versa.... I have never refereed an U12s game and I'm sure I would stand out as a novice at that level! !

 

[Lee Lifeson-Peart]

I think you are supposed to use it to signal that the team has chosen the option of a scrum

That's the only time I use it.

 

[Arabcheif]

What kind of whistle were you using?

It doesn't really have a manufacturer stamp on it. I got it through a bundle of a refs book and whistle set. I also have an Acme Thunderer that I got from the soc. It's still in the packet ATM, but I'll crack it open for my next game

 

[smeagol]

- Whistle without signal, then talking to players to explain what you're whistling for, then maybe a halfhearted arm-flap that could be indicating a scrum or a penalty

This describes more than one referee in my area, and one was my "assigner" until 6-7 years ago.