Lancaster steps down

[Ian_Cook]

Surely it depends on whether you think it can work?
If a driver for the players is nationalism, it gets more difficult for a non national coach to push those buttons. If you already have a national fervour within the team, then it is no big deal.
I never thought the Australian players were fully believing of Robbie Deans belting out 'Advance Australia Fair'

To be fair, Robbie's problems had very little to do with his singing and an awful lot to do with ARU back-room boys undermining him and backstabbing him at every turn.

Quade Cooper complained that the atmosphere under Deans was "toxic". I would suggest that Quade needed to have a long hard look at his own attitude (and get his mate Kurtley to do likewise) if he wanted to understand why that was. Talented or not, the All Blacks' management would have dispensed with their services a long time ago (think: Zac Guildford).

Player power was also a problem (just ask David Nucifora about the latter).

 

[Dickie E]

I never thought the Australian players were fully believing of Robbie Deans belting out 'Advance Australia Fair'

It was an ill-fated experiment that I'm sure we won't have to endure again. Dean was given every opportunity time after time and he just failed to deliver.

Maybe its an Australian characteristic that they respond better to one of their own. Remember Mickey Arthur?

 

[menace]

Ahhhemmm....didn't seem to work out that way for Ewen?!

 

[crossref]

Eddie Jones gives his views on Sam Burgess, and on central-contracting of players

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/nov/17/sam-burgess-eddi-jones-treatment-england-bath

a stall being gently set out?

 

[Ian_Cook]

Eddie Jones gives his views on Sam Burgess, and on central-contracting of players

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/nov/17/sam-burgess-eddi-jones-treatment-england-bath

a stall being gently set out?

ON SAM BURGESS

Jones believes Burgess, who cut short his three-year deal with Bath to re-sign for South Sydney Rabbitohs in the NRL, was hung out to dry by key decision-makers, having started only once for England during the World Cup. The 55-year-old Australian, who guided Japan to three impressive pool victories at the tournament in England, said: “They definitely weren’t focused enough on how to improve Burgess as a player. You had Bath playing him at 12 and then at No6 and England wanting to play him at inside-centre. You have a guy who comes from rugby league and you ask him to play in two completely different positions – how silly is that?”

Can anyone really imagine the Crusaders or Chiefs playing SBW at flanker while the All Blacks' management played him at 2nd 5/8.
Can you imagine the All Blacks management putting up with it if they did?
Ditto for the Waratahs, Israel Folau and the ARU?

ON CENTRAL CONTRACTS

"Jones was similarly scathing about the England setup as a whole, saying that without the introduction of central contracts they were never going to enjoy the success of the southern hemisphere nations. “How can you manage your players when they are controlled by other organisations? In my opinion, that is the single greatest task ahead of whoever is going to be appointed as the next England coach,”

Isn't EJ pretty much stating the obvious?

WR WORLD RANKINGS

1	(1)	New Zealand	96.10
2	(2)	Australia[SUP]*1[/SUP]	89.33
3	(3)	South Africa[SUP]*2[/SUP]	87.66
4	(4)	Wales	83.49
5	(5)	Argentina[SUP]*3[/SUP]	82.59
6	(6)	Ireland	81.17
7	(7)	France	79.77
8	(8)	England	79.77
9	(9)	Scotland	77.94
10	(10)	Japan	77.05

KEY
Players are centrally contracted
Players are contracted to privately owned clubs
Changing from club to central contracted players
*1 - coach can select non central contracted players with over 60 caps
*2 - coach can select foreign based players
*3 - from 2015 on, only players signed with UAR for Super Rugby are selected unless under an existing club contract.

 

[Dickie E]

Ahhhemmm....didn't seem to work out that way for Ewen?!

that's true but while a carrot is a vegetable not all vegetables are carrots.

 

[Crucial]

So was Ewen a Carrot or a Vegetable?

 

[menace]

With a melon like his...he was a pumpkin!

 

[FlipFlop]

And as we all know: knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit, but intelligence is not putting it in a fruit salad.

 

[Dickie E]

And as we all know: knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit, but intelligence is not putting it in a fruit salad.

and does chard really come from Switzerland?

 

[FlipFlop]

and does chard really come from Switzerland?

No....

 

[Ciaran Trainor]

At the moment, who is running the show then?
Who is looking at performance of current and up coming players?
Is anything in place.
Are the existing back room staff still employed?
Just wondering, six nations isn't that far away and it all seems a shambles.

 

[winchesterref]

Word is Eddie Jones has got the gig, and speculation Jake White is to be brought in as director.

 

[Phil E]

Wasn't Farrel running things while they decided?

Yes, I heard Eddie Jones is a done deal.

 

[crossref]

Word is Eddie Jones has got the gig, and speculation Jake White is to be brought in as director.

typical: you wait 20 years for an someone with international experience to come along -- and then two arrive at once!


Queue four years of 'who's in charge' in-fighting ?

 

[Camquin]

With those two on board what does Rob Andrew do?

 

[menace]

Wasn't Farrel running things while they decided?

Yes, I heard Eddie Jones is a done deal.

If he does any good, I wonder if we'll take him back to have a second go with coaching the wallabies? Hmmmm.

 

[Dickie E]

If he does any good, I wonder if we'll take him back to have a second go with coaching the wallabies? Hmmmm.

If he does any good, he'll be Sir Eddie very promptly.

 

[Ronald]

Ian, in South Africa we don't contract players centrally; they are contracted by their Super Rugby franchise and/or the Currie Cup province.

 

[Dickie E]

Yes, I heard Eddie Jones is a done deal.

has his work cut out but likes working with 2nd tier nations