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Failure to win the six nations and get out of the pool at the world cup in spite of years of planning and funding. Somehow I don't think this is going to be a surprise to anyone. Now we just have to wait and see who the replacement for the position will be, and whether it remains the poisoned chalice it currently is...
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England's under-performance in recent years hasn't been just SL's fault, so hopefully that will mean a clean out of the back room staff (including Farrell). The replacement coach would be a fool not to get rid of the dead woodl.
I thought this was quite good
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/34479084
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/34479084
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http://www.foxsports.com.au/rugby/m...er-as-head-coach/story-e6frf4pu-1227601931599
Hands off!!!
(this report has been denied by RFU)
Hands off!!!
(this report has been denied by RFU)
I do have a problem with all this "RFU Approach XYZ" and "RFU denies approaching XYZ" news.
If the RFU is to do it's job of appointing a replacement properly, then they should approach ALL current international coaches, and all other suitably qualified coaches. They need to see who is interested and who is not. There are not many world class coaches out there, and if you want the best, you have to see who can be persuaded.
But beyond that - the issue England have is in the forwards - no good/guaranteed set piece ball, no quick ruck ball, no turnover expert. And that has to be a concern of the forwards coach.
If the RFU is to do it's job of appointing a replacement properly, then they should approach ALL current international coaches, and all other suitably qualified coaches. They need to see who is interested and who is not. There are not many world class coaches out there, and if you want the best, you have to see who can be persuaded.
But beyond that - the issue England have is in the forwards - no good/guaranteed set piece ball, no quick ruck ball, no turnover expert. And that has to be a concern of the forwards coach.
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I have watched a far bit of Aviva Premiership this year, and I have yet to see a No. 7 who operates as a turnover specialist who would merit selection in any ITM Cup side.
Here is your solution to that problem...
1. Send your talent scouts to New Zealand or Australia next year and find two No. 7's playing in the ITM Cup or NZ Senior Club competitions in the provinces or the Shute Shield or NRC in Australia. Good fetchers are a dime a dozen in this part of the world. (while you're at it see if you can find a 9 who knows how to clear the ball quickly, and a 10 who is willing to take the ball to the line... we have a few of those too).
2. Offer them a truckload of money to play their rugby in England (God knows the RFU is not short of cash)
3. Make sure you have them in England quickly so that they meet the residency criteria by 2018 so that you can have them for RWC2019 (if either or both have an English grandparent, so much the better.
4. If you REALLY want to keep Chris Robshaw as captain, get him into the No 6 jersey where he belongs. CR is a very reliable, hard tackling and ball carrying No. 6. He has the potential to shut down the blindside in much the same way the Jerome Kaino does for NZ. But he ain't a No. 7
Finally, as a general comment, if you really want to go down the path of finding another League star to switch codes, DO IT NOW! Don't wait till 2019 is almost upon you.
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of course in England the RFU don't employ the players, the clubs do.. which makes all of the above a tad more difficult. The clubs decide who to employ and who to scout for (and which positions their players play in). and we have salary caps.
England may want to spend shed loads of money employing a world class 7 , but any particular club might not..
Don't forget we don't have to find an NZ players, we already have our own Armitage, but while England no doubt wants him, no club does (or no club, given the salary cap, can match French offers)
It's all very complicated!
Robshaw was playing 6 last week at Quins. the rumour at quins is that we'll see him at 6 and 7 during the season, depending on who he is playing with.
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Are you telling me that there was absolutely no RFU influence in the courting, signing, position preference instructions in the case of one Mr S Burgess? The general feeling down here was that the RFU were pulling all the strings with Burgess and were not chuffed when Bath realised, "Maybe he's a No.6?"
This ^^^^^
of course there is influence..
but the fact that England wanted SB at 12, and yet Bath kept playing him at 6 clearly shows that there is no control.
don't you think the RFU would like it a lot if some club would decide that the most important thing to spend their money on was Stefon Armitage , and to hire him ? But no club wants to, he's presumably too expensive for any one club...
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The maybe they should.
How hard would it be for the RFU to contract a few top players, and lease them out to the Clubs?
Nah, forget it, it would never work...... hang on!?
if the national bodies own the top players, you no longer really have clubs as we know them in England, do you, the next level down becomes more like a franchise.
I think that ship sailed. We could have had a set up like that in Wales, if the RFU had acted faster twenty years ago.
Not sure how we could get from from where we are now, to there, even if we were sure we actually wanted to --- it's not exactly all a garden of joy in Wales.
sometimes you simply have to play the cards you are dealt.
I think that ship sailed. We could have had a set up like that in Wales, if the RFU had acted faster twenty years ago.
Not sure how we could get from from where we are now, to there, even if we were sure we actually wanted to --- it's not exactly all a garden of joy in Wales.
sometimes you simply have to play the cards you are dealt.
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Back in 1995 when the game went pro the RFU decided that there would be a moratorium as to professionalism... and lost control from the outset because (understandably) the clubs signed them up . then the RFU found that - oops! - they couldn't control any players except with the enticement of a red rosed shirt... and the players found that their contracts of employment were exactly that!
So that boat has sailed Ian ... and we have had the intervening two decades trying to come to umconfortable agreements and arrangements.
didds
here's a good example of the impact of the club system in England, from today's Guardian
which is an interesting point. The premiership clubs generally like the overseas player rule, as it enables them to attract and keep England-qualified players while paying them less money than the French offer. Without that policy they'd presumably lose players.. or need a bigger salary cap. But most clubs can't afford a bigger salary bill, and quite like the cap... it's complicated!
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/nov/12/warren-gatland-england-the-breakdown
which is an interesting point. The premiership clubs generally like the overseas player rule, as it enables them to attract and keep England-qualified players while paying them less money than the French offer. Without that policy they'd presumably lose players.. or need a bigger salary cap. But most clubs can't afford a bigger salary bill, and quite like the cap... it's complicated!
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/nov/12/warren-gatland-england-the-breakdown
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Franchises? You mean like clubs that just up and move to different locations far way from their roots? Yeah, thank God that would never happen. I mean, that would be like Wasps going to be in Coventry.
Oh.
Hang on. Wait.
no, if it was a franchise system the RFU would control the location of the franchises playing in top completion, and would be able to spread them about the country according to their strategic views. that's not at all what we have now!
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RFU have their fingerprints all over the Sam Burgess debacle
Legacy of last 20 years of missed structure opportunities - e.g. Central contracts
More to come on salary capping "problems" and obtuse accounting statements
How can Ritchie be the sole decision maker re the next coach ?
Time for Squeeky and Farrell to answer quite a few questions.
Myriad of power brokers and a professional staff of over 500 staff at Twickenham need to hand the Game back to the players and coaches.
Lancaster is a good guy, over-promoted, did not have the necessary elite international experience (Saxons not enough), too early in his career, and he never had full control handed to him - I said so at the time and events have proved it. I feel sorry for him and he has lost the elite player development job too, with Joe Lydon taking it on (another RL transfer).
Legacy of last 20 years of missed structure opportunities - e.g. Central contracts
More to come on salary capping "problems" and obtuse accounting statements
How can Ritchie be the sole decision maker re the next coach ?
Time for Squeeky and Farrell to answer quite a few questions.
Myriad of power brokers and a professional staff of over 500 staff at Twickenham need to hand the Game back to the players and coaches.
Lancaster is a good guy, over-promoted, did not have the necessary elite international experience (Saxons not enough), too early in his career, and he never had full control handed to him - I said so at the time and events have proved it. I feel sorry for him and he has lost the elite player development job too, with Joe Lydon taking it on (another RL transfer).
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Lancaster has the best winning percentage of all coaches since Woodward, has 4 wins against the SH which is the same as Wales, Ireland and Scotland combined. He pulled England out of a hole and has created a culture and approach that was desperately needed. He was in a pool of death and lost out narrowly on getting through.
Maybe there are things he could and perhaps should have done differently. Maybe the outcomes would have been different. We can all speculate.
I think he can hold his head high as inevitably the monkey is transferred to the next HC's back ........ it is the English way. If in doubt blame the coach.
Maybe there are things he could and perhaps should have done differently. Maybe the outcomes would have been different. We can all speculate.
I think he can hold his head high as inevitably the monkey is transferred to the next HC's back ........ it is the English way. If in doubt blame the coach.