[Line out] Quick throw in after penalty kick

[pippobaccello]

Hi all, two questions about a quick throw in:

Blue team has a penalty and kicks in touch. No one touches the ball after it goes out. Red team is slow to reach the lineout so a blue player quickly throws in for a team mate. Red player, coming from behind the lineout point, tackles the blue player.

Questions:
1 . Can the blue team quickly throw in after a penalty kick?
2 . Is the red tackler in offside coming from behind?

Thank you all

Marco

 

[crossref]

that's funny - I nearly posted the exact same question today, as in my game on Satuirday a player nearly did a QTI after a PK (but changed his mind)

I think the answer is
- yes a QTI can be taken
- yes he can be tackled, no offside lines from a QTI

 

[Treadmore]

I'm thinking this would look a bit odd Have you seen it?

1 . Can the blue team quickly throw in after a penalty kick?

Yes (if requirements for a QTI met and line-out hasn't formed)

2 . Is the red tackler in offside coming from behind?

No offside lines specified under QTI and in this case the team kicking it out (blue) are those throwing-in - they could be offside (in front of their kicker)

 

[pippobaccello]

Blue players were inside. No chaser in front of the kicker.

 

[Andrew1974]

Not sure what the law says...but my gut instinct is that there is going to be no QTI from a penalty in a match i am ref'ing. Just does not seem equitable to me.

 

[Taff]

Not sure what the law says...but my gut instinct is that there is going to be no QTI from a penalty in a match i am ref'ing. Just does not seem equitable to me.

I don't see why.

The lawbook lists about 5 incidents where a QTI must be disallowed .... and a PK isn't one of them.

 

[chbg]

I was annoyed when an Army AR prevented me doing this in November. "You can't take a QTI after a penalty." So there is a myth out there. (Sadly, he didn't come to the bar afterwards, so that I could learn where in the Lawbook it occurs.) Situation can occur when the ball bounces back from advert hoarding / fence / bench etc, and a Blue player carries the ball back from having picked it up. Of course QTI must be taken behind the point that the PK crossed the Touch Line, so it is not frequently 'on'. Red advised to catch a PK kicked out just over the Touch Line! (And give it back to Blue "to assist them".)

Red could only be offside if this occurred within 10m of where the PK was taken i.e. Red never retired 10m. Otherwise Blue kicking the PK was the last to play the ball, so all Red onside in open play.

 

[pippobaccello]

So, it is ok to QTI after PK. This is cleared.

Still not sure of the second question. The point is that all red players were clearly beyond the point of the QTI (i.e.: on the Blue goal line side). Two blue players were quicker than them to reach the point were the ball went out and QTI. So the red tackler came from a position that was beyond the point were the QTI happened. I don't understand how he could be in side if beyond the QTI.
Struggling to explain myself in english, sorry

 

[pippobaccello]

Maybe this sketch helps. As you can see red player with the white T is beyond the QTI. Is he allowed to tackle the blue player that receives the QTI?

 

[chbg]

A QTI does not establish an offside line, which I think is your question. It is essentially open play. So yes, Red can tackle.

 

[Pegleg]

If the none throwing side is that asleep to allow a pk to touch to be followed by a QTI, they get what they deserve. They simply are not paying attention.

 

[pippobaccello]

A QTI does not establish an offside line, which I think is your question. It is essentially open play. So yes, Red can tackle.

Thank you for clearing it. Very strange, by the way.

 

[Dickie E]

Thank you for clearing it. Very strange, by the way.

Ask yourself this: was Red player in an onside position when ball was kicked? If so, then he is OK to participate in the QTI including tackling an oppoenent who has caught the ball from the QTI.

 

[didds]

If the none throwing side is that asleep to allow a pk to touch to be followed by a QTI, they get what they deserve. They simply are not paying attention.

Amen.


didds

 

[crossref]

I'll float again the idea of doing this as a planned move

attacking and awarded a PK very close to the line
- situate a player in touch, 1 metre behind the mark
- tap the PK straight to him (he's not offside, he's behind the mark)
- he immediately makes a QTI to Billy Vunipola, who arrives, travelling at full speed

I am sure the element of surprise would lead to a try.

 

[RobLev]

I'll float again the idea of doing this as a planned move

attacking and awarded a PK very close to the line
- situate a player in touch, 1 metre behind the mark
- tap the PK straight to him (he's not offside, he's behind the mark)
- he immediately makes a QTI to Billy Vunipola, who arrives, travelling at full speed

I am sure the element of surprise

...and 19 stone arriving at warp speed...

would lead to a try.

 

[Dickie E]

I'll float again the idea of doing this as a planned move

attacking and awarded a PK very close to the line
- situate a player in touch, 1 metre behind the mark
- tap the PK straight to him (he's not offside, he's behind the mark)
- he immediately makes a QTI to Billy Vunipola, who arrives, travelling at full speed

I am sure the element of surprise would lead to a try.

You could even set up a flying wedge as that is presumaby OK at a QTI.

 

[Taff]

I'll float again the idea of doing this as a planned move

attacking and awarded a PK very close to the line
I saw this exact move on Scrum V tonight, and .... it did indeed lead to a try.

 

[crossref]

Really? What were the teams, I would love to see a video of that

 

[Pegleg]

You could even set up a flying wedge as that is presumaby OK at a QTI.

A flying wedge is illegal. You could probably set up something similar to a flying wedge.