Scrum half feed

[Dickie E]

as with my other pet non-conventional positions (zipper for lineouts & receiving side for kick offs) I think the non-feed side for scrums is the ideal position. You miss nothing there (apart from tight head interfering with the SH )

 

[ddjamo]

have yet to see the TH interfere with the SH - even on the put in side. but admit that a flanker has slapped the arms of the SH when I went to the other side.

 

[Simon Thomas]

have yet to see the TH interfere with the SH - even on the put in side. but admit that a flanker has slapped the arms of the SH when I went to the other side.

any flanker (or oppo SH) who tried that in my playing days that got a lot more than a slap back !

 

[Phil E]

have yet to see the TH interfere with the SH - even on the put in side. but admit that a flanker has slapped the arms of the SH when I went to the other side.

I have had a TH slap the ball out of the SH's hands back into his team, who then won the ball. The TH took great delite in telling me what had happened in the bar afterwards.

From my prespective on the other side of the scrum, I saw the ball come back and the whole of the touchline throw their arms up in desapir, but it all looked perfectly ok from where I was Knew something had gone on, but didn't know what. :chin:

 

[ddjamo]

I agree guys....the ball came bouncing in and rattled around. it was an old vet at flank and a college guy at opposing SH. I told the flanker that he's lucky he didn't have a bloody nose and that I knew what happened...said he couldn't resist.

 

[TheBFG]

I have had a TH slap the ball out of the SH's hands back into his team, who then won the ball. The TH took great delite in telling me what had happened in the bar afterwards.

From my prespective on the other side of the scrum, I saw the ball come back and the whole of the touchline throw their arms up in desapir, but it all looked perfectly ok from where I was Knew something had gone on, but didn't know what. :chin:

Most famous one has to be Neil Back in the European cup Tigers V ??? who ever!

he got hate mail from the visitors for that one, how the TJ missed that i don't know :sad:

 

[SimonSmith]

any flanker (or oppo SH) who tried that in my playing days that got a lot more than a slap back !

Ahhh, the good ol' days!

 

[scrumpox2]

Scrumpox - was this the U13 Plate Final ? eas it an appointed Society Referee or Club Exchange Ref ?

SH feet positions are one clue (only one) and they (and shoulders) should be square to tunnel - as an ex-cheating SH I know about these matters ! :wink:

Referee positioning at scrum has become difficult with intro of 5m ELV and we have seen some quite bizzare experiments this season. Where was your referee standing ?

Yes, the Plate final and a Society ref. My point is the lack of equity* and my request is to learn about the directive that the ref stated in the bar afterwards that he was following, so that I might learn from it.

If refs are not bothering about watching for feeding, fair enough, but then I wouldn't expect only one side to be pinged repeatedly for it.

Ref's position was on the input side, just behind and to the right of the SH throwing in.

* as losing coach I would say that wouldn't I, only I was standing next to an oppo coach who agreed the feeding was on both sides and the worst case on his. No sour grapes here, I don't in any way dispute the result and congratulated the ref afterwards on a really good performance.

 

[Staybound]

Years ago I was in a scrum (loosehead) with our put-in. Oppo SH follows round and out of my limited field of vision. Next thing I know all hell is breaking loose - I got a massive thump on my shoulder and the rest is a festival of pink mist and strange metallic taste in mouth. The ref is blowing like a runnaway train and eventually everything dies down. There are a few bumps, bruises, fat lips and I ended up with a shiner. The ref eventually ends up giving the oppo SH his marching orders. It transpired it was him that "head butted" me in the shoulder after giving the flanker behind me a fairly tasty right hander. After the match I still didn't have a real clue what had happened - I always knew SHs were chippy little f*ckers but I had never had one headbutt my back before. It turned out that the flanker behind me had taken it upon himself to give the SH's family jewells a quick tweak as he followed round (this guy was utterly unhinged - I sometimes felt he had a psychopathic Pavlovan reaction to the smell of deep heat). He got a smack for his trouble as the SH went down (smacking his head into my back).

The ref, on the other side looking for the crooked feed maybe?, only saw the SH go bananas plus a bit of afters when it kicked off. I made the flanker apologise to the SH afterwards in the bar - who took it in remarkable good grace.

Wherever you stand cheating SHs and wing forwards will try and spoil your day!

 

[stuart3826]

have yet to see the TH interfere with the SH - even on the put in side. but admit that a flanker has slapped the arms of the SH when I went to the other side.

Whilst playing 9, I've had a TH kick the ball out of my hands, right next to the ref, who's name was, apparently, Nelson:swet:

 

[ddjamo]

I don't think there's a US born TH that would ever think of doing that. they are bred somewhat "simple" over here. :Zip:

 

[Simon Thomas]

OK scrumpox I know who it is now and will discuss with him. There may be other criteria he was applying or perhaps his judgement of what was ok and what to be pinged was at variance from you the coaches, or he wasn't equitable on this element.

Society advice (at Training Meetings), not a directive, is to penalise overt crooked feeds after warning if there is any reduction or denial of contest. If oppo hooker isn't striking (and has no intention to strike) then manage accordingly.

We advise what to watch for with SH positioning, feet, shoulders, distance away etc.

It sounds as if the ref adopted the classic position (Deeps has a long distance version !). Of course we encourage our guys to go 'blind side' both pre- engagement (for FR issues) and post throw-in (to catch miscreant flankers breaking early or impeding their oppo), or boring props.

 

[dave_clark]

boring props.

is there any other sort?

 

[Adam]

"Yours or theirs?" usually works. :hap:

But then if it continues my shit is gripped :wow: whatever that means. It must be something they do near Durham

I take this view but at their next put in, if it is the slightest bit not straight, I FK them. "Well you told me to watch it!"

 

[Phil E]

I take this view but at their next put in, if it is the slightest bit not straight, I FK them. "Well you told me to watch it!"

I wonder......... if you FK'ed every single feed for the next half a dozen scrums, then told them, "let me know when your bored with me doing this and we can continue with scrums?".................because they couldn't get it straight if they tried!

 

[tim White]

My personal favourite is pinging a crooked feed in the scrum after HIS captain asked me to watch for crooked feeds! Spot on, thanks skipper.:Zip:

 

[stuart3826]

My personal favourite is pinging a crooked feed in the scrum after HIS captain asked me to watch for crooked feeds! Spot on, thanks skipper.:Zip:

In the good old days when we had numbers in the line out, I'd do that to anyone who called numbers - count his team next time in:biggrin:

 

[scrumpox2]

Society advice (at Training Meetings), not a directive, is to penalise overt crooked feeds after warning if there is any reduction or denial of contest. If oppo hooker isn't striking (and has no intention to strike) then manage accordingly.

We advise what to watch for with SH positioning, feet, shoulders, distance away etc.

This is the bit I'm interested in, if there's more on this I would avidly digest it ... is it documented or verbal advice?
I've no doubt that the ref was seeing something that our SH was doing that the oppo SH was not ... but it certainly wasn't the line of the ball in the scrum or foot up.

If it's purely verbal advice, we might have 10 mins at the Geoff Frith memorial match.

 

[Simon Thomas]

Group discussions with all present at our Training meetings, then summarised by Training Officer verbally.

Happy to discuss on May 10th (looks like I am reffing as my doctor (my knee specialist) has told me not to play under any circumstances - he used words like walking stick, wheelchair, never ski again).

You going to play for Alton Vets as we discussed ?
Did you make that call to another memer of Alton Welsh ?

 

[dave_clark]

don't believe what knee specialists say - mine (London Bridge hospital) told me i'd be running again by now