that haka again..

[Marc Wakeham]

I think the separation of Maori from NZ isn't where NZ as a country is right now. Rightly or wrongly, I get the feeling that they see the two as integrated, and not separate.

I hope that is true.

 

[didds]

and thats the perceoption Ive had for a few decades .
(NB: This isnt to underplay the racism amongst SOME. And I havent lived there since 1993 so my opinion is worth FA!)

 

[Dickie E]

My perception is that NZ is the only country that I know that has such an apolitical bonding event. Good on 'em for that

 

[Volun-selected]

I'm not sure I'd ever disrespect a haka before a game, unless I 100% wanted a physically brutal game.

Unless that is exactly what you want - so maybe we could see some needle from SA ahead of a match?

 

[Volun-selected]

So when NZ play another pacific team such as Samoa (Siva Tau), Tonga (Sipi Tau) or Fiji (Cibi) - do they toss a coin and take it in turns, or the home side goes first, or could theoretically the other team launch into their war dance as an immediate response?

As much as the Haka is hugely important to the Māori culture, the AB does seem a little staged. The ones that occur organically are far more powerful - the one linked below carries far more power and emotion than the ABs could (perhaps because it is being delivered by modern day warriors? Though I may be biased, great-grandad was 3rd NZ Rifles in WW1 barracked near Stafford when not in action).

 

[crossref]

My perception is that NZ is the only country that I know that has such an apolitical bonding event. Good on 'em for that

it's certainly political (see this thread)

(if not party political)

 

[Dickie E]

it's certainly political (see this thread)

(if not party political)

I guess we can debate what political means, my point is that it appears to transcend the regular divides in society (race, gender, age, wealth, etc) and be a genuine patriotic bonding event for all kiwis. I'm talking about the haka in general, not the All Blacks specifically.
Unless the more genteel see it as a bit toxically masculine. Would be interesting to hear from kiwis.

 

[crossref]

I guess we can debate what political means,

its interesting how important the haka is in politics - it's even in the proposed UK/NZ trade deal, that the UK has to officially commit to respect it .

‘National treasure’: New Zealand Māori haka protected in trade deal with UK

Traditional war dance, often performed by top sports teams, has been subject to controversial appropriation in the UK

www.theguardian.com

here's some other snippets

Haka Ka Mate Attribution Act guidelines | Ministry of Business, Innovation & Employment

The Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment and Ngāti Toa Rangatira have jointly developed guidelines for the Haka Ka Mate Attribution Act 2014.

www.mbie.govt.nz

Ko Aotearoa Tēnei: Report on the Wai 262 Claim Released | Waitangi Tribunal

The Waitangi Tribunal has released its report into the Wai 262 claim.

waitangitribunal.govt.nz

plus in rugby terms again, WR have produced a lot of rules/governance around it, as discussed ie it's part of rugby governance/politics right at the top.

 

[crossref]

So a big haka tomorrow... the biggest spectacle since the 2015 final ?

realistically what is the best way for France to approach tomorrow's challenge . I bet they have been thinking about it.

What could France do ?

 

[Decorily]

What could France do ?

Release an angry cockerel??

 

[didds]

light a galouise and shrug?

who GAF?

 

[SimonSmith]

light a galouise and shrug?

why GAF?

I was going to go with Gauloise and a 51, but yours works.

 

[Phil E]

Release an angry cockerel??

Used to love it when the French supporters smuggled a cockerel into Twickenham

 

[crossref]

Release an angry cockerel??

This is actually the best idea

 

[Phil E]

I don't think the animal welfare would allow it now.
You might have to make do with one of these.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Inflatable-Costumes-Halloween-Cosplay-Toddlers/dp/B08DY5BTTV/ref=asc_df_B08DY5BTTV/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=606682254156&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=1888929387421349181&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9046470&hvtargid=pla-1873711341334&th=1