TJ- no call

[Decorily]

While refn an U16 game (my Club at home) the ball was carried into touch as two players wrestled for possession. TJ(away Coach) wouldn't/couldn't call it saying "50/50 Sir". As I was unsighted - players had their backs to me- I could not call it accurately either. I pushed TJ saying "your call" and he then gave the put in to the home team. No issues and played on.

Question is...If TJ had refused to call it what should I have done. Stick a pin in it and pick a side (probably away) to put in or, though no basis in law, would restarting with a scrum on 15m to attacking side be a fairer option?

 

[Toby Warren]

If he had refused I would have considered who was last in possesion before the 50/50 and given it to the other side.

 

[crossref]

One of the players muct have got his hands on the ball first, he's the one in possession, throw goes to the other team.
You have to make a call - based on your instinct.
'it seemed to me red had possession first, and was pushed into touch, LO blue ball'

say that confidently, no one will dispute it -- it's your job to call these tricky ones, that's what you are there for. they all know that.

 

[OB..]

I don't think it is a good idea to demand such judgement from a (probably untrained) TJ. I recently had a referee who asked the TJ if the ball had been knocked on into touch. It is not part of his job, and you don't know if he is qualified or not.

 

[Taff]

.... Question is...If TJ had refused to call it what should I have done. Stick a pin in it and pick a side (probably away) to put in or, though no basis in law, would restarting with a scrum on 15m to attacking side be a fairer option?

This eventuality is covered by law 19.4 Decorily

19.4 Who throws inThe throw-in is taken by an opponent of the player who last held or touched the ball before it went into touch. When there is doubt, the attacking team takes the throw-in.

That's all you need to say is "We can't decide who took that in gents. LO here Red thrown in as they're the attacking side". Job done.

The chances of there being an issue are slim to nil.

 

[leaguerefaus]

If he refused to make a call, I would have ruled against his team. Harsh? Maybe.

 

[crossref]

This eventuality is covered by law 19.4 Decorily

19.4 Who throws inThe throw-in is taken by an opponent of the player who last held or touched the ball before it went into touch. When there is doubt, the attacking team takes the throw-in.

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oh well, there's the correct answer.

 

[Decorily]

This eventuality is covered by law 19.4 Decorily

19.4 Who throws inThe throw-in is taken by an opponent of the player who last held or touched the ball before it went into touch. When there is doubt, the attacking team takes the throw-in.

You learn something new every day...or as a ref you probably SHOULD!

Thanks all ...Dec

 

[didds]

If he refused to make a call, I would have ruled against his team. Harsh? Maybe.

in which case "next time" he'll just award the l/o to his own team!

didds

 

[Camquin]

<chopper>But what if the ball goes into touch exactly on the half way line?</chopper>

 

[leaguerefaus]

in which case "next time" he'll just award the l/o to his own team!

didds

For all we know he gave the whole '50/50' bullshit stance because he knew it was off his team but didn't want to own up to it.

In any case, I wouldn't reward his incompetence. Too easy to say 'ok i thought it was off your team last, thanks mate', thus not punishing the other team for his failure to make a call, but also not making him feel shit about it either.

Just my two cents, each to their own

 

[winchesterref]

Or just ask a spectator what they think?

 

[Decorily]

Or just ask a spectator what they think?

Are you serious?......NEVER!!

 

[leaguerefaus]

Or just ask a spectator what they think?

Just find someone with a video camera and get them to wind it back for you

 

[winchesterref]

Sorry, yes just joking!

See thread on TJ/AR/spectators here: http://www.rugbyrefs.com/showthread.php?17003-TJs-amp-ARs-quot-interfering-quot

HINT: do not ask a spectator

 

[leaguerefaus]

Just viewing that thread makes me feel suicidal.

 

[Rushforth]

Just viewing that thread makes me feel suicidal.

If you mean what you say, my advice is to consider seeking psychiatric assistance.

 

[leaguerefaus]

If you mean what you say, my advice is to consider seeking psychiatric assistance.

Oh look, the man of the hour.

 

[Rushforth]

Oh look, the man of the hour.

Oh look, a troll.

Would you like a sledge, little troll?

Well, you won't be getting one from me, because apparently in your neck of the woods, gunshots to the head have happened, and I don't deliver there. That, and your snow is crap. Go back to Bogan if you like. Or grow up, and stop throwing hissy-fits.

 

[leaguerefaus]

Oh look, a troll.

Would you like a sledge, little troll?

Well, you won't be getting one from me, because apparently in your neck of the woods, gunshots to the head have happened, and I don't deliver there. That, and your snow is crap. Go back to Bogan if you like. Or grow up, and stop throwing hissy-fits.

Well, that made a lot of sense