For the purpose of discussion, and agreeing that referees should always be looking to 'allow' the Lawful second (3rd?) QTP , what type of speed is the optimum? Normal, steady, deliberate, purposeful, urgent, power, trot, jog ?
4.5 mph
For the purpose of discussion, and agreeing that referees should always be looking to 'allow' the Lawful second (3rd?) QTP , what type of speed is the optimum? Normal, steady, deliberate, purposeful, urgent, power, trot, jog ?
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As a U-19 coach in the US. Before the PMB I will give the referee a 'heads up' on the experience of the FR, and possible replacements, so he knows what he's dealing with. Here are something I'd like to hear in the FR PMB.
"Props, after the engage you will be given time to adjust your feet and binds"
I asked my son last night what he likes to hear in a PMB (he's a SH)
He said he hates it when referees tell everyone they are making up their own laws today.
- what do mean ? surely no referees do that?
- about when it's out : like : 'one hand on is not out, but two hands on is out / It's out when I call it out / It's out when it clears the back foot'
- ah well that's not exactly making up a law, that's because the law isn't perfectly clear so different referees handle it differently
- same thing.
hmmm.
But the law is clear. The ball is out when either it has slipped out of the ruck backwards (e.g. player stands on it and it flies back) OR when the SH has picked it up.
I asked my son last night what he likes to hear in a PMB (he's a SH)
He said he hates it when referees tell everyone they are making up their own laws today.
- what do mean ? surely no referees do that?
- about when it's out : like : 'one hand on is not out, but two hands on is out / It's out when I call it out / It's out when it clears the back foot'
- ah well that's not exactly making up a law, that's because the law isn't perfectly clear so different referees handle it differently
- same thing.
hmmm.
[LAWS]16.6 A ruck ends successfully when the ball leaves the ruck, or when the ball is on or over the goal line.[/LAWS]No mention of the scrum half -which is preciesly where the problem arises.But the law is clear. The ball is out when either it has slipped out of the ruck backwards (e.g. player stands on it and it flies back) OR when the SH has picked it up.
Rushforth:285457 said:I don't have a "union answer" but am happy to go with the shortest realistically possible brief now, after which players are allowed to ask whatever they want.
For some reason - ok, the hit whilst I still played - I felt the PMB needed the detail. Obviously it is impossible to watch engage on both sides, straight feed, back-row perhaps unbinding, backs creeping up (or simply not keeping 5m behind).
The conclusion we (NL) came to is "don't make promises that can't be kept." Don't say you'll be watching the crooked feed if you are watching something else instead.
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... but for those of you who with less knowledge of the dark arts... tell them to sort it out themselves, and if necessary guess. ...
If you've been making "I" statements in the PMB, you've been way, way off beam. It's about setting expectations of the players - so a lot of "you" statements.The conclusion we (NL) came to is "don't make promises that can't be kept." Don't say you'll be watching the crooked feed if you are watching something else instead.
Perhaps the best tip was "don't single out a front row player", from this coach with FR experience himself. Don't paint a target! It is not something I have been guilty of myself as a referee - since I have played all FR positions - but for those of you who with less knowledge of the dark arts... tell them to sort it out themselves, and if necessary guess. (That said, I've had one collapsed scrum this season, will have more now that pitches will go muddy)
I don't have a "union answer" but am happy to go with the shortest realistically possible brief now, after which players are allowed to ask whatever they want.
For some reason - ok, the hit whilst I still played - I felt the PMB needed the detail. Obviously it is impossible to watch engage on both sides, straight feed, back-row perhaps unbinding, backs creeping up (or simply not keeping 5m behind).
The conclusion we (NL) came to is "don't make promises that can't be kept." Don't say you'll be watching the crooked feed if you are watching something else instead.
Perhaps the best tip was "don't single out a front row player", from this coach with FR experience himself. Don't paint a target! It is not something I have been guilty of myself as a referee - since I have played all FR positions - but for those of you who with less knowledge of the dark arts... tell them to sort it out themselves, and if necessary guess. (That said, I've had one collapsed scrum this season, will have more now that pitches will go muddy)