[Law] 50/22 from a FK

[smeagol]

At my society’s meeting, the question came up of whether a FK could be kicked for a 50/22, assuming the mark was at or behind the halfway.

My inclination is yes, but has this come up for anyone?

 

[Decorily]

At my society’s meeting, the question came up of whether a FK could be kicked for a 50/22, assuming the mark was at or behind the halfway.

My inclination is yes, but has this come up for anyone?

No....from open play only.

 

[RedCapRef]

Does that mean you could tap it to yourself and kick it or does there need to be a phase of play? Would a single pass be sufficient to constitute open play?

 

[Decorily]

Tap and go.....open play once tapped.

 

[smeagol]

No....from open play only.

Is there something official I can cite to back this?

 

[Ian_Cook]

It would be pointless... you would still have to bounce the ball into touch... and that is very unlikely for a the static situation of a FK

 

[crossref]

At my society’s meeting, the question came up of whether a FK could be kicked for a 50/22, assuming the mark was at or behind the halfway.

My inclination is yes, but has this come up for anyone?

I think the previous answers are wrong, and the answer is yes, a free kick CAN be kicked indirectly to touch and qualify as a 50/22 kick.
There is nothing in the law Trials that says the kick has to be from open play

[LAWS]A player, in their own half, kicks the ball indirectly into touch in the opposition’s 22. Either the team did not take the ball into their half, or a tackle, ruck or maul took place within the half, or an opponent touched the ball within the half. This variation does not apply at a kick-off or any type of restart kick[/LAWS].

 

[Balones]

There is still a bit of confusion. I have been to two matches and the most asked question has been “can you kick 50/22 after a scrum”? (As long as the criteria in the GLT has been met before.)
Secondly there is some misconception over what exactly a ‘restart kick’ is. Some officials and coaches/players are adopting the position that a free kick is a restart kick which is clearly not the case as per definitions.
Apart from at a ‘mark’ a fee kick is given for a minor offence at a set piece. If you can’t kick after a set piece (because you won’t have met the tackle, ruck etc criteria before kicking.) then it is likely that you can’t kick 50/22 from a free kick.
I’m open to persuasion on this one until I receive clarification from a higher source.

 

[crossref]

i have to say it's hard to imagine a more confusing and opaque wording. How do they end up with such oddly phrased laws?

 

[Balones]

Tap and go.....open play once tapped.

Interesting. Red team pass back into their half. They knock on. They win FK at the scrum. (E.g. Early engagement.) Can Red tap/go and kick?The criteria required in law has not been met.

 

[Decorily]

Interesting. Red team pass back into their half. They knock on. They win FK at the scrum. (E.g. Early engagement.) Can Red tap/go and kick?The criteria required in law has not been met.

In what way has it not been met?

 

[Phil E]

The RFU clarifications, which came out as a result of questions to World Rugby say:

This variation (50/22) does not apply at a kick off or any type of restart kick.

A restart kick is in the definitions as "Restart kick: The method of restarting play with a drop-kick after a score or a touch-down", so a FK is not a restart.

There is also a clarification that says "The ball goes directly into touch from a drop out", unhelpfully they don't mention "indirectly into touch from a drop out", which would have answered the FK question. :chin:

NB: a phase of play is defined as "Phase of play: Scrum, lineout, ruck or maul."

 

[Decorily]

The RFU clarifications, which came out as a result of questions to World Rugby say:

This variation (50/22) does not apply at a kick off or any type of restart kick.

A restart kick is in the definitions as "Restart kick: The method of restarting play with a drop-kick after a score or a touch-down", so a FK is not a restart.

There is also a clarification that says "The ball goes directly into touch from a drop out", unhelpfully they don't mention "indirectly into touch from a drop out", which would have answered the FK question. :chin:

NB: a phase of play is defined as "Phase of play: Scrum, lineout, ruck or maul."

If a FK is not a restart how is play restarted after a Mark is awarded?
A Mark stops play.

 

[Phil E]

If a FK is not a restart how is play restarted after a Mark is awarded?
A Mark stops play.

Look at the definition of a Mark: "Mark: A method of suspending play and winning a free-kick by directly catching an opponent’s kick in the catcher’s own 22 or in in-goal and shouting “mark”."

The suggestion is that a Mark doesn't stop play, it just suspends it, so no restart required?

 

[chbg]

No....from open play only.

Not specified as such in Law: "Either the team did not take the ball into their half, or [if it did] a tackle, ruck or maul took place within the half, or an opponent touched the ball within the half."

 

[chbg]

There is still a bit of confusion. I have been to two matches and the most asked question has been “can you kick 50/22 after a scrum”? (As long as the criteria in the GLT has been met before.)

The RFU Clarifications asked specifically when a 50:22 was permitted IF a scrum/line-out was exactly on the halfway line. The WR answer being 'depends on where the ball emerged: if in the half of the team winning the ball, then 50:22 allowable; if they had pushed over the halfway before it emerged, then passed it back to within their own half, then 50:22 not allowable.'

Ergo 50:22 from a scrum/LO wholly within your own half is entirely allowed.

 

[Decorily]

Look at the definition of a Mark: "Mark: A method of suspending play and winning a free-kick by directly catching an opponent’s kick in the catcher’s own 22 or in in-goal and shouting “mark”."

The suggestion is that a Mark doesn't stop play, it just suspends it, so no restart required?

"Stopping "

 

[Camquin]

Presumably, the blue scrum-half touched the ball while the forwards were setting the scrum.

 

[Camquin]

Restart kick: The method of restarting play with a drop-kick after a score or a touch-down

So while "Penalties and free-kicks are awarded to restart play after infringements." (law 20 principles) they are not a restart kick as defined.

 

[Phil E]

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"Stopping "

"Suspending" :shrug: