[Law] 50/22 from a FK

[crossref]

It would be pointless... you would still have to bounce the ball into touch... and that is very unlikely for a the static situation of a FK

But if the FK is taken quickly , then I can see that a 50/22 kick might very well be on

 

[Balones]

At my society’s meeting, the question came up of whether a FK could be kicked for a 50/22, assuming the mark was at or behind the halfway.

My inclination is yes, but has this come up for anyone?

I have been informed that yes you can as long as there has been a phase of play in your half before.

 

[crossref]

I have been informed that yes you can as long as there has been a phase of play in your half before.

Anything in writing ?
I mean I believe you but it's hard to referee things on the basis that "some guy on the internet told me "

(Other internet guys are available,)

 

[smeagol]

Anything in writing ?
I mean I believe you but it's hard to referee things on the basis that "some guy on the internet told me "

(Other internet guys are available,)

Seconding that I want something "official" to take back to my society.

RE: scenarios, the one that was brought up in the meeting was an incorrect restart in 7s/10s.

 

[Camquin]

But surely that is true for every elite interpretation of the law.
There is nothing in writing that says that a scrum half can stand at 45 degrees and feed their second row.
Indeed I would struggle to find anything written that says you can play on if the scrum collapses.
But the elite do this every Saturday.

 

[Balones]

Anything in writing ?
I mean I believe you but it's hard to referee things on the basis that "some guy on the internet told me "

(Other internet guys are available,)

All I can say is that it was a contact at the RFU.

 

[Phil E]

I put the Free Kick question to our Training Officer and the answer he got from the RFU was yes you can have a 50/22 from a Free Kick. The law doesn't prohibit it.

...and no I don't have an official communique.

 

[crossref]

So basically nobody knows

 

[Phil E]

This email will be put on our Societies website and social media later today.

Subject: Question on GLTs

Hi,

Provided the kick is taken as you describe, being kicked indirectly into touch, a 50:22 would apply, the kicking team would get the throw at a resultant lineout.

Take care, kind regards,

RFU Match Official Development Manager

Please keep an eye on our official England Rugby or @RFURefs channels for all of the latest information and advice.


Subject: Question on GLTs

Good morning,

It was great to see you and have a bit of a catch-up at Newark.

I wonder if you could help me with a query that I have received from a member of our society?

I have been asked the following referring to the 50/22 kick:

Can a Free Kick in your own half be kicked indirectly into touch for a 50/22?

A free kick is NOT defined as a restart (restart = drop kick after a score or touch down, so includes a 22 drop out).

The RFU points of clarification talk about a free kick going directly into touch, but don't address the point of indirectly going into touch.

Kind Regards.

 

[Balones]

I try not to reveal the contact details of my contacts at the RFU on public forums because they have a tendency to get inundated with emails and requests for information from all over the world as a result.
My information was from a very similar source. RFU laws department.

 

[crossref]

I try not to reveal the contact details of my contacts at the RFU on public forums because they have a tendency to get inundated with emails and requests for information from all over the world as a result.
My information was from a very similar source. RFU laws department.

Two different respected sources, two different answers
I guess it's only when WR answer that know for sure

 

[chbg]

The law doesn't prohibit it.

Exactly.

 

[Phil E]

I have been informed that yes you can as long as there has been a phase of play in your half before.

Two different respected sources, two different answers
I guess it's only when WR answer that know for sure

How are they different?
Both say you can have a 50/22 from a FK?

 

[chbg]

Two different respected sources, two different answers
I guess it's only when WR answer that know for sure

One is a direct quote, the other reported, essentially stating the same thing - FKs don't magically appear in your own half, but you can't take a FK back from where it was awarded into your own half and claim a 50:22. You appear to want it to be difficult.

 

[crossref]

How are they different?

Unless I misread it, the answer from MP was 'yes' and the answer via balines was 'I have been informed that yes you can as long as there has been a phase of play in your half before.'

Which is slightly different right ?

Scenario
Blue kick from own half, into red half, and red knock on
Scrum blue
Blue early shove
FK to red
Red kick indirectly into touch in blue 22

Who throws in ?

(I don't want it to be different, chbg, it just is different, isn't it?

 

[Phil E]

Unless I misread it, the answer from MP was 'yes' and the answer via balines was 'I have been informed that yes you can as long as there has been a phase of play in your half before.'

chbg has answered that so I won't bother.
Your just trolling now.

 

[crossref]

chbg has answered that so I won't bother.
Your just trolling now.

I added to my post #35 a scenario to illustrate the difference between the two

Very happy to hear your analysis, but don't the two responses give two different answers??

 

[thepercy]

Interesting. Red team pass back into their half. They knock on. They win FK at the scrum. (E.g. Early engagement.) Can Red tap/go and kick?The criteria required in law has not been met.

Their opponent touched the ball, as they were going to put it into the scrum.

 

[thepercy]

I asked this of USA Rugby Referee Manager, in an initial video about the GLT they said no, but changed their mind after consulting with WR.

 

[Balones]

Unless I misread it, the answer from MP was 'yes' and the answer via balines was 'I have been informed that yes you can as long as there has been a phase of play in your half before.'

Which is slightly different right ?

Scenario
Blue kick from own half, into red half, and red knock on
Scrum blue
Blue early shove
FK to red
Red kick indirectly into touch in blue 22

Who throws in ?

(I don't want it to be different, chbg, it just is different, isn't it?

There has been a phase of play in the red half. Offender not relevant. 50/22 available.