Cadence at the scrummage

[Womble]

Some of us have now refereed a couple of pre season games, have any of us had any issues with the cadence. Consistant or varied? I've refereed 2 games so far and AR'd 1, The first game I kept my cadence consistant and found that by early in the second half both packs were guessing the engagement! ( yes I chased 2 in before I pulled them back!) The second game I did I varied the cadence and after three early engagements they settled with no further issues. Any thoughts from games you have been involved in?:chin:

 

[crossref]

I asked a spectator to dictate the cadence for me epper:

 

[Womble]

was he consistant?:noyc:

 

[pwhaling]

I asked a spectator to dictate the cadence for me epper:

That actually made me laught out loud.

 

[Womble]

Made me smile as well:biggrin:

 

[Wert Twacky]

Three games so far, no problems to speak of as a direct result of CTS.

Player feedback very good.

 

[andyscott]

Regular cadence but slow, quicker more resets slower not as many.

 

[Simon Thomas]

RFU Group, Federation and Society training meetings all asked for consistent cadence, with alteration to manage non-compliance before using sanctions.

In the one match internal club I have done, I used a slightly slower cadence than for CTPE and gave FKs for first two "earlies" (at the coach's pre-match request), after that all went well.

I have watched two referees so far - one used standard cadence (bit too fast for my liking) and insisted on two resets to get it right.
The other was a bit slower on cadence and at first scrum reminded FRs of pre-match brief and that SET (in a strong Afrikaans accent :biggrin is the engagement invitation, not before. They then complied.

 

[Womble]

Any music teachers on here? What is the minimum amount of time you can put between sounds so that a rhythm can not be guessed?

 

[Dixie]

SET (in a strong Afrikaans accent :biggrin is the engagement invitation, not before.

Pronounced SIT. You may get some interesting reactions!

 

[Dead Keen]

I watched a game last week and the one of the scrums went: crouch (a couple of second) touch (one second) pause, sh!t, peep, sorry lads we'll do that again.

 

[crossref]

I watched a game last week and the one of the scrums went: crouch (a couple of second) touch (one second) pause, sh!t, peep, sorry lads we'll do that again.

he he ! I don't think that's the only time that will happen this season

 

[Toby Warren]

I've imposed a self regulated £5 fine to charity for each time I say this!

 

[Simon Thomas]

Pronounced SIT. You may get some interesting reactions!

I am only following the examples sent to us by the IRB :biggrin:

Confession time : Q4 on last Saturday, 30 degree + and a little fatigued (actually completely wasted), I said Crouch, Touch, started to say Pause but stiffled it in time, and then in a fit of self-satisfaction said Engage - they did as invited, and no one said a word about it.

 

[Dickie E]

RFU Group, Federation and Society training meetings all asked for consistent cadence, with alteration to manage non-compliance before using sanctions.

Simon, what does the bit in red mean please?

 

[4eyesbetter]

I think it means they were being asked by someone who's overdosed on management consultants...

 

[Ian_Cook]

Simon, what does the bit in red mean please?

Isn't it obvious? :biggrin:

 

[Drift]

Isn't it obvious? :biggrin:

Not really.

If they want a consistent cadence then that's fine. However that sentence makes it seem they are trying to trap the teams into going early.

 

[Ian_Cook]

I believe Simon is talking more about grass roots here than the elite game.

You try to keep the cadence consistent.

You might strike a situation where some of the players are having difficulty complying. This could be due to a number of reasons, that might include....

► one or more inexperienced front rowers in one or both of the packs.
► or a change to the front row due to a sub, injury, yellow card etc.
► language difficulties.
► muddy conditions with unsure footing.

... so the referee should then manage the situation by slowing down (or speeding up) the cadence so that the teams have the maximum chance of complying, and we can all have safe and effective scrums.


That's my understanding anyway.

 

[Dickie E]

... anyway, let's see what Simon has to say.

I'm curious to know which will help with compliance - speeding up or slowing down?