No idea what is happening in that description.
I see that SAReferees have done a video on it. Perhaps they will shed some light on the subject when their analysis comes out later in the week.
No idea what is happening in that description.
You are right that Slipper's entry was OK and that he was initially on his feet. The problem is that he goes off his feet and continues to play the ball.
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By at least the third in this series of photos (that I cannot upload due to an upload quota) his bodyweight is not supported by his feet and he needs to let go and allow the ball to come free. Pretty straight forward PK IMO, and the YC was probably fair enough, by memory there had been a few penalties in a row.
Green player on the floor looks to be first offender, his hand is still very clearly on the ball as the Gold jackler attempts to lift it in frame 1.
What is Gold 22 doing? He appears to be about to launch himself into the breakdown from the front... did he?
I see that SAReferees have done a video on it. Perhaps they will shed some light on the subject when their analysis comes out later in the week.
I see that SAReferees have done a video on it. Perhaps they will shed some light on the subject when their analysis comes out later in the week.
for argument sake - assume it was offside..and as per ARs ïn front of kicker moving forward"...why did the PK come back to where the QT was taken ..and not 20 mteres forwards where gree #6 was deemd to be offside moving forward? and also why didn't he offer gold the scrum option way back down where the ball was kicked (or is "last played"now deemed to be the QT?)...or have i totally screwed up interpreting offside from kicks in GP???
To suggest Samo was obstructing is a reach.. a very long reach.
I could suggest that the green player played him without the ball... just as long a reach.
There could be a good argument that he was offside (marginally so), but as I stated earlier, he does not have to get out of the way. There is no requirement for a player to merely evaporate. He can't move into the line that the opposing player wants, but if he is already standing there, he doesn't have to step aside.
Anyone notice AR use the unmentionable Double Movement phrase when disallowing the South African try? (Davet, South Africa are the ones in Green)
(And Australia are the ones in yellow.)
We prefer Gold, thank you.
AR called "offside " when Green 6 was about 1m on his own side of the end of the dashed line 15m in from touch that crosses the Australian 10m line. That is exactly the place he goes back to when he awards the PK. He probably should have gone about 10m further towards the Green territory, although if he didn't see Green 6 advancing, then he can only mark the place of infringement at the point where he decided the player was offside.
Fair point. When I saw the camera pan back I saw #6 much further back but yes there was a delay before AR called advantage.
I have no problem with him not offering the option of the scrum. Elite referees often don't, and there is nothing in law that says the referee is obliged to tell the players that they have options.
[LAWS]GENERAL DEFINITIONS
Captain: The captain is a player nominated by the team. Only the captain is entitled to consult the referee during the match and is solely responsible for choosing options relating to the referee’s decisions.
[/LAWS]
At elite level, I expect the captains to know when they have a scrum back option and ask for it if they want it. Do you think Australia would rather have the scrum, or the opportunity to kick further into SA territory than where the scrum would have been and take a line-out?
There is nothing explicit in the laws that says that being ahead of the kicker and interfering with a quick throw-in is an infringement worthy of a penalty. It's not in the IRB's clarifications/rulings. But it is certainly implied here: http://www.irblaws.com/EN/guidelines/5/enforcement-of-current-law-june-2012/
Law 11.1 OFFSIDE IN GENERAL PLAY
(c) Offside and moving forward. When a team-mate of an offside player has kicked ahead, the offside player must not move towards opponents who are waiting to play the ball, or move towards the place where the ball lands, until the player has been put onside.
Um - well the thing that is explicit is Law 11.1
The player taking the Quick throw was not only waiting to play the ball, but indeed DID play the ball.
What is NOT explicit in Law is the notion that the instant the ball goes in touch all players are put onside. Certainly there nothing like that in the Law describing the various ways player can be played onside.
And that proves...?