Wales v Australia: final try

[irishref]

I just got round to watching the highligts of the Wales v Australia game. I saw something with Wales's 3rd try that made me stroke my chin.

At the lineout, the furthest pod step over the 15m line and set up there to lift the catcher before the ball is thrown.

Isn't this barred by law 18.38?

18.38
Other than moving to the receiver position if that position is empty, no lineout player may leave the lineout until it has ended.

 

[Stu10]

If that's what happened (I don't remember), then it should be a FK for leaving the lineout.

 

[Decorily]

Are you sure it was before the ball was thrown?

I just got round to watching the highligts of the Wales v Australia game. I saw something with Wales's 3rd try that made me stroke my chin.

At the lineout, the furthest pod step over the 15m line and set up there to lift the catcher before the ball is thrown.

Isn't this barred by law 18.38?

18.38
Other than moving to the receiver position if that position is empty, no lineout player may leave the lineout until it has ended.

 

[tim White]

I noted lots of jumping before the ball has been thrown -never pulled up for it.

 

[didds]

They make ikt up as they go along.

 

[BikingBud]

I noted lots of jumping before the ball has been thrown -never pulled up for it.

Or n Australia's case yesterday falling down and then over throwing to enable Wales to get a 50/22

 

[Dickie E]

If that's what happened (I don't remember), then it should be a FK for leaving the lineout.

the sanction for an 18.38 offence is a penalty which appears to contradict 18.17 which stipulates FK

 

[Dickie E]

A poor quality photo of the event:

 

[Locke]

the sanction for an 18.38 offence is a penalty which appears to contradict 18.17 which stipulates FK

I think 18.17 refers to the period before the lineout has begun, when it is “forming” and 18.38 refers to when the ball has already been thrown but the lineout has not ended in one of the ways described in 18.37.

 

[Phil E]

I think 18.17 refers to the period before the lineout has begun, when it is “forming” and 18.38 refers to when the ball has already been thrown but the lineout has not ended in one of the ways described in 18.37.

Which aligns with the rule of thumb that....
Anything before the ball is thrown is generally a FK.
Anything after the ball is thrown is generally a PK.

 

[number11]

Having rewatched it's clear that at least one Welsh player stepped over the 15m line before the ball was thrown.

This is the best screengrab I could get. At the moment of the ball leaving the thrower's hands Wales have 1.5 players over the line.

 

[Stu10]

It's right in front of Barnes... how has he not seen that? I'm sure I heard him telling players to stay inside the 15m earlier in the game

 

[Decorily]

It's probably no worse an infringement than a couple of other potential infringements in the same shot.

 

[didds]

It's probably no worse an infringement than a couple of other potential infringements in the same shot.

red 5 & 19 definitely closing the gap.

 

[Balones]

The Australian receiver looks to be outside the fifteen as well.

 

[Stu10]

The Australian receiver looks to be outside the fifteen as well.

I don't think a defender can afford to not match the movement of the attackers and entirely hope the referee will pick them up.

 

[shebeen]

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Having rewatched it's clear that at least one Welsh player stepped over the 15m line before the ball was thrown.

This is the best screengrab I could get. At the moment of the ball leaving the thrower's hands Wales have 1.5 players over the line.

I didn't notice it when watching live, but that is smoking gun evidence.
Would expect WB to see it, but probably focussing on the skew throw/distracted by the movement.
would expect the TMO to pick it up, but maybe asleep on the job since the game was done and dusted by then.

The Australian receiver looks to be outside the fifteen as well.

correct. 2 wrongs don't make a right, but he was reacting to movement so Wales should incur a FK

 

[Balones]

I accept what people are saying about two wrongs etc and expecting defenders to react. Unfortunately if you review the whole incident before the ball came in you will see that the first person offside was the Australian receiver. Try to stop the game clock at 77.30.

 

[Volun-selected]

And, of course, the thrower is now forbidden from being in touch when taking the throw in…

 

[Decorily]

And, of course, the thrower is now forbidden from being in touch when taking the throw in…

No you are incorrect.....

It is still optional!