We recently looked into the possibility of including our 2nd and lower XV in the RFU leagues and were firmly told that they had to stay below Level 7. That ruled out a number of teams and would have risked blocking the top of Level 8 with others, so we dropped the idea. Last season there was a South West Pilot League with teams from several SW counties. This coming season we have an experimental District Premier League of our own for most such teams.
What the f*** is happening with Lancashire's Leagues
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Kirkby Lonsdale and Kendal 2s?
And Penrith A - so three out of ten but is that blocking level 7 or providing sufficient sides to make a viable league.
It is not as though there are any more clubs at lower levels that could step up to play in that league.
With ten teams - they are probably going to look at playingeach opponent three times to fill the season.
Actually what would be so wrong if we permitted 2nd XVs at every level, perhaps except the Premiership.
If the Premiership sides put out 2nd XVs with a full schedule - we could get rid of the need for Dual Registration.
You might want to restrict movement between sides within a club, just as currently there are regulations about moving between clubs.
You could argue that there does not need to be two national leagues and increase the number of leagues at level 3 and below to absorb the extra teams.
It would need careful thought. For instance do you allow a club to have two sides in the same league (which happens in merit leagues such as Shield Division 1) but is there a fundamental objection.
It is not as though there are any more clubs at lower levels that could step up to play in that league.
With ten teams - they are probably going to look at playingeach opponent three times to fill the season.
Actually what would be so wrong if we permitted 2nd XVs at every level, perhaps except the Premiership.
If the Premiership sides put out 2nd XVs with a full schedule - we could get rid of the need for Dual Registration.
You might want to restrict movement between sides within a club, just as currently there are regulations about moving between clubs.
You could argue that there does not need to be two national leagues and increase the number of leagues at level 3 and below to absorb the extra teams.
It would need careful thought. For instance do you allow a club to have two sides in the same league (which happens in merit leagues such as Shield Division 1) but is there a fundamental objection.
RFU Regulations do not allow it in their leagues.
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... going back a few years nboiw (decade or so) we almost had the situation of a 1st XV being relegated whilst the 2nd XV miight have been promoted, when they were in adjacent leagues.
The 2nd XV were already at their max level (l8) and so presumably what would have to have happened was the 1st XV would have been relegated to L8, and the 2nd XV - having won L8) relegated to l9.
where presumably the enxt season they'd have smashed all comers week in week out!
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The 2nd XV were already at their max level (l8) and so presumably what would have to have happened was the 1st XV would have been relegated to L8, and the 2nd XV - having won L8) relegated to l9.
where presumably the enxt season they'd have smashed all comers week in week out!
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OB: I think it is a given any solution will involve rewriting regulation 13.
Crossref: Is it better to have 20 mixed ability sides or to permit the best /most committed players to gather in four 1st XVs, while others with less ability / time to train play in the 5th XVs.
Crossref: Is it better to have 20 mixed ability sides or to permit the best /most committed players to gather in four 1st XVs, while others with less ability / time to train play in the 5th XVs.
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I thiknk maybe its a case of better off 20 clubs with a wide geographical spread then 4 clubs miles apart. the sort of player wanting mere social rugby may not be prepared to travel a considerable distance for his/her 4th XV game, but would be happy playing 1st aka only XV in a small club in his/her twon. The better players with aspirations will end up migrating to the clubs that are climbing the leagues within those twenty... and be happy to travel if needed... whcih theyd be doing anyway if there were just 4 clubs miles apart etc etc etc
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the fewer clubs there are, the more everyone has to travel .... which means clubs start to fold from too much travel --- which means more travel...
We tried. No sign of shifting yet.
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I think this article just about sums up the feeling in Cumbria http://www.newsandstar.co.uk/sport/...posts-c7d9cf2d-080b-4ac3-9ada-8539edcb3eb0-ds
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Another meeting is happening tonight at a hotel in Lancaster RE fixtures.
NOWIRUL stuff is going to do fixtures without the RFU leagues being known if things aren't sorted by the 1st of August
NOWIRUL stuff is going to do fixtures without the RFU leagues being known if things aren't sorted by the 1st of August
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Yes camquin, that was the structure "agreed". Cumbria left high and dry. New structure leaves an 8 team level 7 league, nightmare for clubs trying to keep going. The RFU promised a full review by December!
Have to be careful what I say, I was nearly banned for bringing the game into disrepute for copying an email onto a club forum recently.
Have to be careful what I say, I was nearly banned for bringing the game into disrepute for copying an email onto a club forum recently.
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Just been offered a pre season game, Wigton v Oldham. Oh the irony! Apparently they are bringing 2 teams up for a friendly!
You could not make it up could you.
Mind you they did say they did not mind travelling to Cumbria once or twice a season.
Oldham 2 will be heading to Upper Eden on 5th January in the Nowirul Merit Table fixture.
So that would be twice a season.
Mind you they did say they did not mind travelling to Cumbria once or twice a season.
Oldham 2 will be heading to Upper Eden on 5th January in the Nowirul Merit Table fixture.
So that would be twice a season.
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Wigton came to Oldham last year camping weekend they are reversing that also a music festival is on
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Just been told it's off, Oldham cannot raise a team!!
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Is it called Shamping?