Ball is not on the ground - therefore no ruck - 16.1.b
No maul - therefore tackle only.
I reckon you could find 20+ rucks during a game where the ball doesn't actually touch the ground, but I take your point
Ball is not on the ground - therefore no ruck - 16.1.b
No maul - therefore tackle only.
I'm happy. NH acting SH as he wasn't bound in and therefore not a participant.....but it's not a ruck so I am guessing who he could be bound on to in that instance.
Well my question was what if it was a ruck? If NH is not bound, he's not the SH (the SH is obviously behind him with his hands on the ball), NH is offside AND handling the ball in the ruck.
I appreciate you believe it was only a tackle, I'm not so sure the referee would agree which makes me scratch my head even more as to why he allowed it.
Or maybe that is the sort of thing that happens only to grass roots refs, and not to top class ones
Ball is not on the ground - therefore no ruck - 16.1.b
No maul - therefore tackle only.
Did NH play the ball from behind the ball?
Did NH play the ball from behind the ball?
.........not expressing a view then. Or are you just lighting the blue touch paper?(d) At a tackle or near to a tackle, other players who play the ball must do so from behind the ball and from directly behind the tackled player or the tackler closest to those players’ goal line.
Sanction: Penalty kick
I haven't seen the video but...
[LAWS]15.6 (d) At a tackle or near to a tackle, other players who play the ball must do so from behind the ball and from directly behind the tackled player or the tackler closest to those players’ goal line.
Sanction: Penalty kick[/LAWS]
... doesn't say that the other players must enter directly behind the ball, only behind the ball, which means anywhere on their own side of the ball within the limits of the width of the tackled player and the tackler.
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.........not expressing a view then. Or are you just lighting the blue touch paper?
.......happy myself to commit so far as I am allowed, not clear and obvious that he didn't, so play on.
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....just about summarises the situation at the point tackle complete. NH relatively static but in contact with JL as he goes down and his hind foot in between JL's outstretched legs.
Far side MV playing the man without the ball as has been suggested elsewhere.
It's an interesting scenario worthy of discussion at Society/Association meetings.
From the still frame you have posted, I don't think anyone would argue that 20W's entry wasn't legal. It's his actions after he moves ahead of the ball that raise questions along with 17W's clear out that starts before the tackle, Green player on the floor "tripping" 20W and from memory, a Green player falling on 20W when he is on the ground??(not sure about the last one so will need to relook at video).
For me, the situation falls into that old category of "If it looks wrong, it probably is".
It's an interesting scenario worthy of discussion at Society/Association meetings.
From the still frame you have posted, I don't think anyone would argue that 20W's entry wasn't legal. It's his actions after he moves ahead of the ball that raise questions along with 17W's clear out that starts before the tackle, Green player on the floor "tripping" 20W and from memory, a Green player falling on 20W when he is on the ground??(not sure about the last one so will need to relook at video).
For me, the situation falls into that old category of "If it looks wrong, it probably is".
I know what you're saying. You are saying that 15.6(d) describes how a player enters the tackle zone i.e. through the gate.
But once again, perhaps a poor choice of phrasing, can also be taken to mean that a player must be behind the ball to play it (i.e. between the ball and his team's DBL) by this, "...other players who play the ball must do so from behind the ball.....",
I don't think so.
Why does the law say directly behind the player but not directly behind the ball?
To me, in this context, behind the ball means from anywhere across the field that is behind the ball, then a further limitation is the width of the tackler and tackled player on the ground.
AIUI the Gate....
A green player entering at "B" is "behind the ball" and "directly behind the the tackler closest his goal line" therefore he is entitled to play the ball from where he is standing. He does not have to move over to "A" to be directly behind the ball. The Law does not require that.