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$50 per coaching report
Which means, on my hourly rate at work, I take a loss
Which means, on my hourly rate at work, I take a loss
It does seem that way Phil, but unfortunately over here, as I mentioned earlier, from my experience;
We don't get reimbursed for petrol under 150km
We don't get a couple of beers
We don't get some food
And
We don't get some good banter (unless you call abuse and dissent as banter).
It's a different culture here, so yeah, we feel we're taken for granted a lot of the time.
FWIW, We've now moved away from writing reports all the time.
Yes, we do formal reports when it's appropriate for the grading committee, but we're also doing a lot of coaching/advising now to give support, suggest a few things that could have been done differently, etc. with nothing written down.
The idea is to get away from the "Oh God, I've got an assessor this Saturday" towards "Oh good, Terry/Mike/John/Paul's going to come along on Saturday, maybe he'll have some ideas about why I'm missing so much at the breakdown..."
There have been past reviews in RFU about this and yes a RFRU working party are looking at it again.I've heard some rumours that 'they' are considering introducing a payment for referees a la football (who can expect a minimum of £20-25 for junior games). Not sure how much truth/likelihood is behind this?
Wonder if it'll ever happen in rugby?!
In the UK, as long as you're not getting more than 45p per mile and doing no more than 10,000 miles per annum on expenses, HMRC deems that there is no profit element involved and therefore nothing to declare as taxable income (according to my accountant and he's paid to keep me honest).
There have been past reviews in RFU about this and yes a RFRU working party are looking at it again.
likelihood is low IMHO.
I don't get petrol
I do normally get a couple of beers
I do normally get some food
I get varying degrees of banter.
Every club has a fairly decent clubhouse!
You should move to WA! :biggrin:
Provided my exams go well next week and I am successful in my application in early January I will be resident there for at least 7 weeks of June and July 2014.
There have been past reviews in RFU about this and yes a RFRU working party are looking at it again.
likelihood is low IMHO.
It is happening right now in a high profile case in England .
perhaps the RFU could define what they think is best practice and clubs can decide whether to work towards that, if they wish/can
This is how the RFU do a lot of things.
I mean it's not clear to me whether the RFU would think it was desirable for a clubs to pay club refs for each game. I am not sure it is desirable.
In my sons age group are three or four dads who coach/ help coach / administrate / first aid. And myself who sometimes referees them. I don't really see why I should be the only one to collect £20 for my time.
If I go and ref another age group in the same club, same thing really. I am more than happy to accept a pint, but to be honest it's not totally clear I deserve it particualrly. No one buys the coach a pint, or the first aider.
I don't think anyone expects "own son" volunteers to be compensated at Grass Roots.
Referee swapping between age groups isn't dissimilar [arguably].
It's formal refereeing that's the issue....where you have to plan, prepare, fitness, train, study, report, travel, give time, administer, fees to join, .... that I'm refering to.
perhaps the RFU could define what they think is best practice and clubs can decide whether to work towards that, if they wish/can
This is how the RFU do a lot of things.
I mean it's not clear to me whether the RFU would think it was desirable for a clubs to pay club refs for each game. I am not sure it is desirable.
In my sons age group are three or four dads who coach/ help coach / administrate / first aid. And myself who sometimes referees them. I don't really see why I should be the only one to collect £20 for my time.
If I go and ref another age group in the same club, same thing really. I am more than happy to accept a pint, but to be honest it's not totally clear I deserve it particualrly. No one buys the coach a pint, or the first aider.
The 'salaried' deciding what's best for volunteers ?
.... We had something like this at my previous Club, the Executive committee would convene , drink free beer & nosh on the buffet whilst they decide on how the volunteers should do more !
Sorry Simon, I forgot to add the " :sarc: ", i thought my "?!" might have been the clue that I knew :wink:.
If people are happy volunteering then they should have the option to donate their fees to a club/assoc/charity of their choice, but to refuse to reward/recompense the other referees is quite frankly archaic & societies need to align with the modern world.