the Chiefs

[didds]

in the interests of lcoal bio diversity and to support pubblic exposure to endanagered local species how about

Exeter...
... ground-weaver spiders
... apple lace bugs
... fritillaries
... scrambled egg lichen


?

 

[crossref]

Perhaps they will stick with chiefs and drop the native American branding . But they might find that hard. It's a bit abstract, what would the mascot look like ?

I guess the mascot could still be an eagle or whatever.

At quins, no one seems to care or notice much that mascot is a bear (not a harlequin as you might expect).
It is called Harley , and has a companion, Charley

Harley Quin , geddit ?
Not sure why a bear though.

 

[didds]

Harley Quin , geddit ?
Not sure why a bear though.

quite. why not a dormouse?

 

[L'irlandais]

...
Not sure why a bear though.

Due to most available volunteers possessing beer bellies ?
Difficulty in dissimilating a beer belly in such an outfit.


Whereas the Harvey outfit has no such problem with tight fitting belts.

 

[OB..]

Redskin is a derogatory racial slur, [...].

True, but when I lived in Washington I was struck by how people were proud of their Redskins. There was even a sort of Boy Scouts organisation based on Native American practices.

However I still agree the name should be changed in today's climate.

 

[OB..]

and POTUS no longer Commander in Chief?

""Hail to the Chief" is the personal anthem of the President of the United States, composed by James Sanderson. The song's playing accompanies the appearance of the President of the United States at many public events, it is also played at inauguration ceremonies.[SUP][1][/SUP] For major official occasions, the United States Marine Band and other military ensembles are generally the performers, so directives of the United States Department of Defense have, since 1954, been the main basis for according it official status.[SUP][2][/SUP] It is preceded by four ruffles and flourishes when played for the President. The song is also played during a former President's state funeral after the casket is removed from the hearse.[SUP][3][/SUP] As it originated in the 19th century, the song is in the public domain due to its age." Wikipedia

Should that be changed?!

 

[Not Kurt Weaver]

There was even a sort of Boy Scouts organisation based on Native American practices.

Indian guides, with the YMCA. Father and son.

Indian princesses, with YMCA. Father and daughter.

both are still around

 

[Dickie E]

Should that be changed?![/B]

"should" - probably not
"will be" - probably

bit like the word "gay" today exclusively means homosexual. Language evolves - sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse.

 

[Marc Wakeham]

""Hail to the Chief" is the personal anthem of the President of the United States, composed by James Sanderson. The song's playing accompanies the appearance of the President of the United States at many public events, it is also played at inauguration ceremonies.[SUP][1][/SUP] For major official occasions, the United States Marine Band and other military ensembles are generally the performers, so directives of the United States Department of Defense have, since 1954, been the main basis for according it official status.[SUP][2][/SUP] It is preceded by four ruffles and flourishes when played for the President. The song is also played during a former President's state funeral after the casket is removed from the hearse.[SUP][3][/SUP] As it originated in the 19th century, the song is in the public domain due to its age." Wikipedia

Should that be changed?!

A Chief is an English word stemming from the middle ages it derives from French / Italian origins stemming from "head". "Hail To the Chief" in the above context is "Hail to the Head of the USA". The context is totally different to the Exeter Chiefs, Who market the "red Injun" theme throughout.

Understanding the different context, why would anyone think "hail to the Chief" to be unacceptable? Even if siging it the the current buffoon might stick in the throat.

 

[OB..]

My post was ironic.

 

[Not Kurt Weaver]

.

Understanding the different context, why would anyone think "hail to the Chief" to be unacceptable? Even if siging it the the current buffoon might stick in the throat.

Reminds me of comments from Penn Jillete from this article on Joe Rogan. https://www.lamag.com/culturefiles/penn-jillette-donald-trump/

The performer also noted a troubling aspect of Trump’s personality that is rarely touched on by the usual pundits: “I also never saw him show any enjoyment or understanding of music.”

 

[Dickie E]

A Chief is an English word stemming from the middle ages it derives from French / Italian origins stemming from "head". "Hail To the Chief" in the above context is "Hail to the Head of the USA". The context is totally different to the Exeter Chiefs, Who market the "red Injun" theme throughout.

Understanding the different context, why would anyone think "hail to the Chief" to be unacceptable? Even if siging it the the current buffoon might stick in the throat.

I see your point and it leads to the solution. Do as the Crusaders did ... keep the name but dump the imagery. Too easy.

 

[Ian_Cook]

I wonder if these guys are breaking into a sweat too:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiefs_(rugby_union)

Maybe. Does "in honour" trump cultural appropriation?

The Chiefs have the endorsement of the local Iwi (loosely equivalent to "tribe") to use the name and the imagery. Their Haka was written by Derek Lardelli, the same artist who wrote "Kapo O' Pango"

They will not be sweating one drop!

 

[thepercy]

At least your rugby team names are not named after to be released cocktails.

Los Angeles (CA) Giltinis

Austin (TX) Gilgronis

And Rugby United New York, who instead of being called "New York" or "United" go with RUNY pronounced Rooney

New England Free Jacks, not sure what a Free Jack is.

 

[Not Kurt Weaver]

A

New England Free Jacks, not sure what a Free Jack is.

Free from Union Jack. Maybe you knew that though?, and that was just a jab at our funny talkers.

 

[L'irlandais]

Spot on. It’s a reference to the 25,000 American patriots who died kicking off the yoke of British occupation.

The logo is reminiscent of The 5 riders misrepresented in Longfellow’s poem.

 

[Camquin]

I suppose Patriot was taken.

 

[OB..]

""Hail to the Chief" is the personal anthem of the President of the United States, composed by James Sanderson. The song's playing accompanies the appearance of the President of the United States at many public events, it is also played at inauguration ceremonies.[SUP][1][/SUP] For major official occasions, the United States Marine Band and other military ensembles are generally the performers, so directives of the United States Department of Defense have, since 1954, been the main basis for according it official status.[SUP][2][/SUP] It is preceded by four ruffles and flourishes when played for the President. The song is also played during a former President's state funeral after the casket is removed from the hearse.[SUP][3][/SUP] As it originated in the 19th century, the song is in the public domain due to its age." Wikipedia

Should that be changed?!

I have just watched a CNN item on Conspiracy Theories and Donald Trump. There is an organisation called QAnon which peddles these theories, and he repeats many of them such as claiming that Obama was not born an American citizen, and that there was massive voter fraud during the 2016 Presidential election.

Of course! It all make sense now! QAnon are such experts that they are well placed to conduct a fraud of their own!. So THAT is how Trump got elected. I'd like to thank them for pointing this out.

 

[Balones]

Free from Union Jack. Maybe you knew that though?, and that was just a jab at our funny talkers.

Free sailors?

 

[Dickie E]

The Chiefs have the endorsement of the local Iwi (loosely equivalent to "tribe") to use the name and the imagery. Their Haka was written by Derek Lardelli, the same artist who wrote "Kapo O' Pango"

They will not be sweating one drop!

that may not matter. The woke folk have a propensity for being offended on behalf of others.